From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:38:55 -0600 Message-ID: <4C96126F.1060109@gmail.com> References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4C94E03D.8090002@gmail.com><87fwx699pc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4C951FCC.1@gmail.com> <87pqwa6yc4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <53C6E29ED9A04D7E8DF9DACF94F0FD1E@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284903557 17337 80.91.229.12 (19 Sep 2010 13:39:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:39:17 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 19 15:39:16 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxK6q-0004xs-OC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:39:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59460 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OxK6q-0006i0-7v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:39:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45053 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OxK6j-0006hr-Cw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:39:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxK6d-00049r-RE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:48296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxK6d-00049l-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:38:59 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so5611233iwn.0 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SRylCQFZZrX5C216FYn1ki7CwmkIznsagQDR1eq+9FM=; b=LTL0d/2q/bSl9tovc8MHTwMSuVJfkthKjQrRBvu0iizPbEBc1wwJvUnY9W8eKq2q/O WR3D/KuTC8jrIWdotdbeKYtdKTRkP9jURmS4Zr/NtfgFnW5X3FMwmXtUyv8vbdv29J+3 UlbIVxLmC+wA3bT1EeU/G3+DZfHVgacAIHO4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BrxHZd1kw1/ojOarFskKsFdI2HPqtj6d7RqpLAYkH0iS7Ce3c4WLnXnVn8lrs6bYji oD/Ria47H06Xb2VngI5D0Qe4uqkqf95puV+6M2GuVkuMlMxYiJ9IsYdtdTluY14NLpcS ZCkN/JsTqZ1ste2XexayEDKf47at/GDJZ+Bu8= Original-Received: by 10.231.146.134 with SMTP id h6mr8430596ibv.170.1284903538761; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (97-122-97-123.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.97.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm6242803ibk.3.2010.09.19.06.38.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:38:57 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 In-Reply-To: <53C6E29ED9A04D7E8DF9DACF94F0FD1E@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130480 Archived-At: On 9/19/2010 6:40 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> Likely. Emacs has the cursor _between_ characters. vi has the cursor >> _on_ characters. So vi has commands for inserting before and after a >> character, before and after a line and so on. Emacs has only one kind >> of insertion, _at_ point. > > Yes. Maybe this helps too: > > The cursor is a graphic indication of the text insertion position, aka point. > The position is unambiguous, no matter how the cursor might indicate that > position. > > Typically, when the cursor shape is not narrow enough to show between two chars > it is displayed more or less on top of the char that follows the insertion > point. > > A bar cursor is narrow enough to show between two chars. A box cursor is wide > enough that it is shown in Emacs on top of the char after point. I should have known better...thanks for the explanation. Christoph