From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:14:30 -0600 Message-ID: <4C94E566.7020701@gmail.com> References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org> <87fwx78jwq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <83fwx7z7qn.fsf@gnu.org> <83d3sbz7b8.fsf@gnu.org> <871v8rdzug.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284826492 30688 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2010 16:14:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: sebastian_rose@gmx.de, dak@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 18 18:14:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox03r-0007mj-61 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:14:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37668 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox03q-0003Pb-Eg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:14:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44149 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox03i-0003OJ-JT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:14:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox03h-0003IL-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:14:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:53255) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox03h-0003IH-AR; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:14:37 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so4671234iwn.0 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:14:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zoij77WT2k1WvbEZylzOtmWtZTgYWE3SGWI2GGZuedQ=; b=CUYIfN7IpIFvTf6xEthdW1rIXPZY+R+QPdUeqmO46VX339EYmgwQK/DQ1ONI/hJNzb hN3gd2+dYnhjCYyHL0Ko6QV2oG9JFZtC5G9FyMH5gNoU5jtF+f+7xx+5N8LlxXfXvSk/ JCBTSCQeaEQ2vAJShUVvO9i3+g0nooSIAleMk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N+sfulo5dFLSWJe0cArt1SNfs85huK+a8mHaAbhkLu/w9p3uj6wz2NyOSS8fvy3RYJ VN+v813MmFbFwRS2CuRt2bTd3Qky/6lYvIkTWNwF7RpPCkCln1IV8PgR4oS1+PtWYPtY dI/B3Kd6NGCLnqbcx1NBWCIig37J6cIwwVFSM= Original-Received: by 10.231.33.131 with SMTP id h3mr6935661ibd.148.1284826476326; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.4] (97-122-97-123.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.97.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e12sm5101145iba.12.2010.09.18.09.14.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:14:35 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 In-Reply-To: <871v8rdzug.fsf@gmx.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130426 Archived-At: On 9/18/2010 6:02 AM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > This change has removed a reaonable distinction between deleting a > character (C-d) and deleting a region (C-w) which was a good thing. > > Yet another bad change. Actually, C-d runs delete-char (or in 24.0.50 delete-forward-char) and C-w runs kill-region. I thought the difference between delete and kill was that the latter puts the killed section on the kill-ring, no? I would definitely appreciate a distinctive behavior like that. Btw, in 23.2 (on Windows), how do I delete (not kill) an active region? C-Space, C-f a couple of times to select word, then neither Backspace, nor Delete actually delete the active region. I can only kill it with C-w. Christoph