From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Locks on the Bzr repository Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:47:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4C6FAECD.1050401@swipnet.se> References: <4C6D56DB.7040703@swipnet.se> <4C6D8EC5.7040901@swipnet.se> <4C6E1F0A.7070506@swipnet.se> <837hjlr78p.fsf@gnu.org> <87zkwhtws5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83tymppj62.fsf@gnu.org> <871v9t8klf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83lj81pazq.fsf@gnu.org> <4C6F9009.3030105@swipnet.se> <838w40pc3q.fsf@gnu.org> <4C6FAAD4.7080905@swipnet.se> <834oeop7sx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1282387676 22948 80.91.229.12 (21 Aug 2010 10:47:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 21 12:47:55 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OmlcB-00014k-1c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:47:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56361 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OmlcA-0004M4-9S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:47:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39246 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Omlc2-0004Lt-UG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:47:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Omlc1-00021I-Oy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:47:46 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se ([62.127.194.21]:43076) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Omlc0-00020o-6W; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:47:44 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950F0E97DF; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:47:42 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.35] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArI1AIJLb0xV4S0jPGdsb2JhbACHaphVDAEBAQE1LbcegnCCRwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,245,1280700000"; d="scan'208";a="122146715" Original-Received: from c-232de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.35]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2010 12:47:42 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E38F57FA05A; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:47:41 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 In-Reply-To: <834oeop7sx.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128953 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii skrev 2010-08-21 12.41: >> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:30:44 +0200 >> From: Jan Dj=E4rv >> This is correct. However any bzr operation like a simple C-x v =3D fa= ils >> because bzr is locked by the commit (it doesn't seem to do read-only l= ocks). >> That is the main disadvantage that makes me go back to the task branch= . > > I agree that this is a disadvantage, but is it really that > significant? How much do you use bzr operations while developing? > Most of development is not about bzr, it's about editing, compiling, > and testing. I only need bzr operations when I'm almost done with > development, like to see what files are changed or compare them with > some other version. No matter how slow is "bzr ci" upstream, the > development cycle is much slower, at least for me. It can only be > faster if you fix very simple bugs, like typos. > > YMMV, but this disadvantage doesn't sound a reason good enough to make > a cardinal decision to do all the work from a task branch. It depends on your mode of programming I think. Most of the time it does= n't=20 matter. But sometimes while searching for a bug, I put debug messages in= =20 several files (more often so when I am in an area I have little knowledge= of).=20 Or I make what I think are the correct changes, but then it turns out I= was=20 mistaken. So I want to remove some of the changes. C-x v =3D or C-x v d= helps=20 me find them. For new stuff I don't use bzr that much, if at all. Jan D.