From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:13:19 +0800 Message-ID: <4C65FBBF.3030000@gnu.org> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87k4nv7t72.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87aaoqjzge.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sk2ie9ny.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4C65E62F.1030004@gnu.org> <87iq3eyoiz.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281752026 14823 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2010 02:13:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 04:13:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok6Fk-0008CJ-Es for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:13:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54118 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ok6Fj-0008NZ-QE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:13:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42206 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ok6Fd-0008Mo-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:13:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok6Fb-0001hy-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com ([74.125.83.169]:60320) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok6Fb-0001hl-Nc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:13:35 -0400 Original-Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so1809032pvc.0 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:13:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y0Jc9xZHy3NMcnvkazGTKZEeR7rBfQfee71p3mgA2pY=; b=I4eHyggEhNUhjf+ziEMcG3XaPTQ84mU4GMhp3DDu4+KyKeZKG8Gj1wdpwBWwHpk8dD lhuu2aFOUDBYE08vDe559iFG8e1nemkYKEZ2ZuiAYpjrzJBJDVb3lT//JSeU+h/cEuAF SEZVkc7uMOur0w7L4P4EwtaVgWeVg8Hrr4n/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=v1QEScWf+V2jvZL5ND//HQBRn3kgLto2D+ER18X3fwNPJzinLpmuJNBgHYvUqfAD7k Z9wipSQGIzY57jgwaBrG/kg4vRUTK6fCCzmHZLppfsbaxPFIq2YlKs4T4mlPiHjFN5vA kdw/9Gnp+sGfwD6KmOXU+wZh78s4bdRhZqz8o= Original-Received: by 10.114.66.10 with SMTP id o10mr2661504waa.113.1281752014363; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.249.102] ([202.87.221.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x9sm5801265waj.15.2010.08.13.19.13.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:13:33 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 In-Reply-To: <87iq3eyoiz.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128655 Archived-At: On 14/8/2010 9:24 AM, Chong Yidong wrote: > On X, Alt-TAB does not go to Emacs either; the window manager grabs it. > I don't understand why it's proper for Emacs to "reclaim" the key. If > it's not desireable for Alt-TAB to switch windows, the logical solution > seems to be to tell the window manager to stop grabbing Alt-TAB, since > it's the window manager that's at "fault". That may well be the solution on X, but it is not a solution on Windows, so we have to provide solutions within Emacs.