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From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:40:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C57B9DF.1060306@online.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv4ofc3h9o.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Am 02.08.2010 22:15, schrieb Stefan Monnier:
>>>> I'm not sure if Emacs is attracting new users the way it used to be.
>>>> Certainly search volume has been going downhill for more than several years
>>>> (http://www.google.com/trends?q=emacs),
>>>>          
>>> What are the units in the vertical direction?
>>>        
>> 1.0 is the mean of the period
>>      
> So units are a ratio w.r.t all the searches.  Is there a way to know the
> actual number of searches to which this corresponds?  This way we could
> tell whether the number of searches is also going down (since it might
> still be going up if the ratio is going down slower than the total
> number of searches increases).
>
>
>          Stefan
>
>
>    

Hi Stefan,

with respect to attracting new users, Emacs could
do better right at the entrance:

Emacs tutorial starts explaining

  NOTICE: The main purpose of the Emacs tutorial is to teach you
  the most important standard Emacs commands (key bindings).

and proceeds that way walking the desert.

My suggestion: leave the keys aside at the very beginning,
tell user what Emacs is and why it should be used.

The WHY for me is its extensibility. Instead of keys,
I'd show with the first lines, how a function like "Go
to the end" is easily changed:

(defun stop-always-two-lines-before-end ()
   "This function will put the cursor at the second line from bottom up. "
   (interactive)
   (end-of-buffer)
   (forward-line -2))

BTW a missing function `backward-line' points to another
issue, Emacs may enhance in order to attract new users.

Thanks a lot for all your efforts

Andreas

--
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-03  6:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-08  5:31 Efforts to attract more users? Ken Hori
2010-07-08  7:44 ` joakim
2010-07-08 13:28   ` Adrian Robert
2010-07-08 14:26     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-08 14:53       ` Stuart Hacking
2010-07-09 21:46         ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-09 22:52           ` Christoph
2010-07-09 23:53             ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-10 14:51             ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-10 14:55               ` Christoph
2010-07-08 15:09       ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-08 13:54   ` Stuart Hacking
2010-07-09  3:05   ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-09  3:24     ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-09 15:01       ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-09 20:25         ` Rolando Pereira
2010-07-09  7:26     ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2010-07-09 11:02       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09  7:31     ` christian.lynbech
2010-07-09 11:04       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 11:24         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-09 11:41           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 12:58             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-09 13:09               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 16:09                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-09 16:42                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 17:05                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-09 17:07                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 17:24                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-09 17:29                         ` Drew Adams
2010-07-10  0:03                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-10 19:15                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-11  2:43                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10  0:03                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-10  0:11                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10  0:16                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-10  0:28                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10 23:43                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-11  2:40                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11  2:56                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-11  3:13                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-12  0:23                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12  1:41                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-12  7:43                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12  8:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12 12:37                                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-12 13:22                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12  8:21                                 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-12  7:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12  8:05                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12  8:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12  8:38                                   ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-12  8:53                                     ` David Kastrup
2010-07-09  7:33     ` Emacs learning curve (was Re: Efforts to attract more users?) christian.lynbech
2010-07-09  7:43       ` Emacs learning curve Masatake YAMATO
2010-07-09 11:01     ` Efforts to attract more users? Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11  4:37       ` Miles Bader
2010-07-11 10:48         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 13:24           ` Miles Bader
2010-07-11 13:55             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 13:59               ` Miles Bader
2010-07-11 14:13                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 14:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-11 15:01                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-07-11 15:31                       ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-11 17:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-11 21:25                         ` John Yates
2010-07-12  7:37                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12 12:36                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-12 12:47                             ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-12 16:01                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12 17:25                                 ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-12 17:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-13  1:33                                   ` Why not Qt4? (hi, Drew! was: Efforts to attract more users?) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-13  2:37                                   ` Efforts to attract more users? Miles Bader
2010-07-13 13:51                                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-13 13:56                                     ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-13 15:07                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-13 15:52                                         ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-13 16:17                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-13 15:24                                     ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-12  0:25                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 14:52                   ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-11 15:49       ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-12  0:24         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-12  9:42       ` joakim
2010-07-09 12:05     ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-09 12:23       ` Alex Ott
2010-07-09 14:33         ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2010-07-12  1:57           ` CEDET speed issues [was Re: Efforts to attract more users?] Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-09 15:39         ` Efforts to attract more users? Leo
2010-07-10 19:05     ` Tom Tromey
2010-07-08 16:56 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-08 23:28 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-08 23:56   ` Fren Zeee
2010-07-09  0:22     ` Bernardo Barros
2010-08-02 13:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 13:32   ` Bernardo Barros
2010-08-02 20:15     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 20:30       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-02 20:39         ` Jay Belanger
2010-08-03  6:40       ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2010-08-03  8:11         ` Stuart Hacking

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