From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs User Friendliness Question/Hope Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:41:32 -0600 Message-ID: <4C410A4C.3070508@gmail.com> References: <1279277325.2135.114.camel@logrus.localdomain> <1279290657.2135.131.camel@logrus.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279330911 6915 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2010 01:41:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:41:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 17 03:41:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZwPV-0005Ki-Ns for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:41:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32818 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZwPV-00075N-AY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:41:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42273 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZwPP-00072S-H5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:41:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZwPO-0003B3-9N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.213.169]:40006) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZwPO-0003Ay-5j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:41:42 -0400 Original-Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7so765637yxs.0 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:41:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k4KS3Oide0/gutiwNIl4wW3PcTIE0sgqNL89g69ZK24=; b=lqNrzeM+EGeVVhkxzFda81pAzZxoC80O/UO7YFvvwj0GR5lv7eHZOFywc4jpHpUuI8 zH0UMVCz20Arl1PV6O4S90LHUy1Aer8APzBcEvd+GKQZNyClt2wx8NG03SZAxVULZoH3 YXBFLQpDYvpnX944g1FBNEnbpLaYeKGS5WX/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hZyaes2gJ3Q2fuXPUSn0UxLk2uJ+olO9fTBVc3+ZC2YoP8FAXTS8cA0DYvT4Qs9YCD cHvpBZO6CkppfPiWxvDNWv0K06F3NQ5krX+IS5T2rRtK8m5Dgn1LXu6gRfoqHiZLYGK1 423qCf91lISabQDfM4MXMQ/ceLsEUoD6ykFrM= Original-Received: by 10.100.134.8 with SMTP id h8mr1692204and.11.1279330899392; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.4] (97-122-118-250.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.118.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w6sm32181686anb.3.2010.07.16.18.41.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127471 Archived-At: In order to help increasing the "user-friendliness" couldn't we do something similar to what viper-mode does? I.e. provide different levels of "Emacs-ness". The lowest level (default?) could enable features that are common among other editors/IDEs, e.g. CUA. Increasing levels could "unlock" more and more "Emacs-ness" up to the point of where you get what everybody would consider the "true" Emacs in all its glory. I believe that Cream, a Vim clone with a self-proclaimed "modern configuration" (http://cream.sourceforge.net/home.html), does something similar. Imho, this could help ease new users into the Emacs world, without alienating the existing longtime users. Christoph