From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:16:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4C40A200.8000406@swipnet.se> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87mxtr8i6l.fsf@telefonica.net> <201007161927.31648.tassilo@member.fsf.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279304213 31430 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 18:16:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tassilo Horn Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 20:16:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpSp-0001je-Oz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:16:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34752 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZpSo-0002ts-JC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=32803 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZpSe-0002tE-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:16:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpSd-00087e-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:16:36 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se ([195.54.99.197]:59239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpSc-00087O-Vv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:16:35 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (ipb2.telenor.se [195.54.127.165]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5912EA5A6 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:16:33 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.35] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Amg+APs+QExV4S0jPGdsb2JhbACHcZd6DAEBAQE1LcAihSQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,215,1278280800"; d="scan'208";a="105290459" Original-Received: from c-232de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.35]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2010 20:16:33 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B4B7FA05A; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:16:32 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100528 Thunderbird/3.0.5 In-Reply-To: <201007161927.31648.tassilo@member.fsf.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127450 Archived-At: 2010-07-16 19:27, Tassilo Horn skrev: > This heavily depends on your keyboard layout. IMO, the worst decision a > developer of an editor can make is to base the keybindings on one > specific layout. For example, vi's hjkl-movement bindings are totally > awkward on my German Dvorak Type II keyboard. In contrast, emacs C-n, > C-f, C-b and C-p have mnemonics which are clear and independent from the > layout. > > Similarly, C-k, C-y and M-y have clear mnemonics derived from the > concepts of killing and yanking. > CUA is terrible in this regard. C-x, C-c and C-v are all next to each other. I often do C-c when C-v was inteded... Jan D.