From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: grischka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs learning curve Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:14:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4C3DF076.1000208@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279127689 25113 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2010 17:14:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: drew.adams@oracle.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 19:14:47 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ5Xi-0000W1-Em for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:14:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35304 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ5Xh-0004XW-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:14:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50187 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ5Xc-0004XP-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:14:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ5Xb-0003bz-7j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:14:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:46747) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ5Xa-0003bO-R7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:14:39 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Jul 2010 17:14:35 -0000 Original-Received: from 184.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com (EHLO [10.54.5.11]) [82.113.121.184] by mail.gmx.net (mp053) with SMTP; 14 Jul 2010 19:14:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18588216 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX194D3981oJ491txHgnzotX6zgP6iRXMq75nzY/TPQ sQSWSzy4lQOoCa User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) Original-References: E65F619BF1ED4EF594C6E363871DCB53@us.oracle.com X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127299 Archived-At: > It depends on the application and what the user is doing, where s?he "naturally" > places her point of view. In some graphics domains it sometimes makes sense to > take the point of view of the paper (object) and not the view port; in other > contexts, vice versa. > > "The human" is neither the view port nor the paper, and can identify with > either, whichever is more convenient/pertinent to the task at hand. The human can identify with the paper? What drug does that? --- grischka