From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: finding the face of a popup Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:29:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4C3D8D92-80A9-4795-8F46-D08131743B00@Web.DE> References: <87lkbwhur5.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87hcmiiuso.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <9DC6AC66-24D2-4204-AF6F-61920F8D2B4B@Web.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1188412186 28441 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2007 18:29:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Allan Gottlieb Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 29 20:29:44 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IQSIJ-0007Kz-RQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:29:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQSIJ-0007ka-Hr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:29:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQSI3-0007kS-M9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:29:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQSI2-0007kF-AL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:29:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQSI2-0007kB-39 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:29:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IQSI1-0004Hz-Le for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:29:17 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71E499B12BC; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:29:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [62.134.225.82] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1IQSI0-00044E-00; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:29:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+x/7wn3lhLZKC8likDrk7AODoj5axUFw97t29E uc98b1dw3gsl95br6uTnN4z4U8hvvPvUr1CBFN2AxVHHY6bKiZ AeDOtNQXR5l331Zn6lSw== X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46936 Archived-At: Am 29.08.2007 um 18:30 schrieb Allan Gottlieb: > But you knew that the name of the face was tooltip; that is > exactly the information I didn't know (actually, forgot). The term ``tooltip=B4=B4 is in common use and it is not only GNU Emacs =20= that uses them. Apple had before Mac OS X the balloon help, M$ is =20 using screen tips. It is also obvious that a pop-up menu needs an =20 action to happen before it can pop up, while the tooltip appears when =20= the cursor comes close to some "magical" area. When you don't know what a tooltip is, then a *Help* window with =20 character properties, including those of the tooltip, won't help you =20 either. It could give a hint, at least ... I haven't read the tutorial for 25 years or so =96 could you check it =20= and send a bug report (from Help menu), asking for an enhancement to =20 describe tooltips? The Frames section of the Emacs info node has the =20 tooltips: Tooltips (or "Balloon Help") =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D Tooltips are small X windows displaying a help string at the current mouse position, typically over text--including the mode line--which can be activated with the mouse or other keys. (This facility is sometimes known as "balloon help".) Help text may be available for menu items too. To use tooltips, enable Tooltip mode with the command `M-x tooltip-mode'. The customization group `tooltip' controls various aspects of how tooltips work. When Tooltip mode is disabled, the help text is displayed in the echo area instead. As of Emacs 21.1, tooltips are not supported on MS-Windows. So help text always appears in the echo area. I haven't read this node until now. I really prefer the harder way =20 using commands from the apropos family and then sort the hits into =20 useful and not so useful ones. And even from these one can learn a =20 few things. Another source of useful hints are the indexes in the =20 Emacs info node: key, command, variable, concept, and option indexes. =20= Again, when the term tooltip is unknown, then these indexes can't be =20 of great help instantaneously. Realising that a tooltip is some kind =20 of help that comes automatically, it seems sensible to me to look =20 which ``help=B4=B4 entries the concept index offers. I just checked =96 =20= it's real promising. Even on how to search documentation efficiently ... -- Greetings Pete To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists =20 solutions are things that are still all mixed up.