From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric M. Ludlam" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4C3C553D.9090203@siege-engine.com> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbk4i1m4.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bpacdpwl.fsf@telefonica.net> <878w5fizcb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279021542 24259 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 11:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:45:42 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 13:45:41 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYdvg-0000mc-SL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:45:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48198 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYdvg-0008AR-Dd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50749 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYdva-0008AJ-QY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYdvW-000896-E1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:32 -0400 Original-Received: from bird.interbax.net ([75.126.100.114]:50549) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYdvW-00088j-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:30 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 24691 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2010 06:45:28 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-184-83-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net (HELO ?192.168.1.201?) (71.184.83.10) by interbax.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2010 06:45:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20091222 Shredder/3.1a1pre In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 98 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127167 Archived-At: On 07/13/2010 04:32 AM, Tom wrote: > Since we don't have a killer feature which would attract new > users like perfect code assist (context aware completion, instant > display of documentation of elements, live indication of syntax > errors, etc.) out of the box with near-zero configuration, we Enabling the CEDET code completion stuff "by default" would come pretty close. I know lots of folks complain about CEDET being hard to figure out or configure. On GNU systems with projects written in Automake, however, it self configures most of the complicated stuff, and will do a good job with completion in C and C++ and a few other languages. CEDET is also now a part of Emacs. Why not configure CEDET to be on, use it for a while, and instead of turning it off because of some glitch you don't like, fix the little things that confused you or were hard. That would take less time than reading this thread. One of the things I was most surprised by was that when CEDET was integrated into Emacs, only 2 people tried it and reported anything from this list. I fixed those things too. Now this list is posting things that effectively pretend CEDET doesn't exist. What's up with that? Eric