From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David De La Harpe Golden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4C3AD9C2.5060709@harpegolden.net> References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> <87630n6odf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874og670l0.fsf@gmx.de> <87k4p257ho.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87fwzqyn4j.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878w5igcto.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4C3A069D.2000804@harpegolden.net> <87d3utws68.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83k4p1tb3x.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278925271 10852 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2010 09:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:01:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 11:01:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYEsu-0001Lu-W2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:01:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35216 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYEsu-0007pV-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:01:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40809 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYEsm-0007o8-4y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:01:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYEsk-0001HZ-PG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:00:59 -0400 Original-Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:51556) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYEsk-0001HS-Ja for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:00:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.198.55.108] (87-198-55-108.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.55.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38187683A6 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:00:56 +0100 (IST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100620 Icedove/3.0.5 In-Reply-To: <83k4p1tb3x.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127097 Archived-At: On 12/07/10 08:25, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Chong Yidong >> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:49:03 -0400 >> Cc: Juri Linkov, Sebastian Rose, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org, Tom, >> Miles Bader >> >> To summarize: >> >> C-w and M-w should copy to the clipboard and set the primary >> in addition to updating the kill-ring. >> >> shift-selection and mouse-dragging should set/update the primary, >> leaving the clipboard and the kill-ring alone. >> >> mouse-2 should yank the primary. > > What about the region highlighted by typing C-SPC twice and then > moving cursor -- will it go to the primary as well? > [it's c-spc once out-of-box, you must have turned off transient-mark-mode?] I would expect so and n.b. it already does with the relevant settings already given. >> The main downside, IIRC, is that some users may not want C-w in Emacs to >> clobber the clipboard. I can understand how this may be a concern, >> since the Emacs kill-ring is much more flexible than the clipboard. But >> this seems to be something for advanced users to worry about; for the >> default, we ought to stick close to X11 "standards"). > > Perhaps make a simple minor mode for those users who don't want C-w > etc. to clobber the clipboard. They would turn off x-select-enable-clipboard and then use clipboard-kill/yank (either bound to some key or the existing ones on the menu) for the times they want to interact with the clipboard. I suppose a mode could set that up, but it borders on trivial.