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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, Emacs <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Window configurations
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:57:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C076E7A.8060803@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eigps0gn.fsf@mail.jurta.org>

 >> (let ((list (list "*scratch*")))
 >>   (set-frame-parameter nil 'buffer-list (setcdr list list))
 >>   (buffer-list (selected-frame)))
 >
 > This is unfair ;-) You can break almost everything with a cyclic list.

But usually you can quit via C-g.  This case has a special history: Once
upon a time Vbuffer_alist "used to be a variable, but is no longer, to
prevent lossage due to user rplac'ing this alist or its elements".  Then
eventually Richard decided to "not use Frassq, Fmemq or Fdelq since
their loops allow quitting.  Write a special loop by hand." which was
still OK because Vbuffer_alist was no longer accessible from Elisp.
Next we got frame local buffer lists and finally someone decided to
allow setting a frame's buffer list from Elisp ...

I think two things have to be done here: Remove the special constructs
that don't allow quitting.  They are hardly useful today.  Moreover,
there are routines operating on buffer lists that _do allow quitting_
like unrecord_buffer so the original motivation is moot anyway (unless
we want unrecord_buffer use a construct like record_buffer).

In addition we should disallow changing a frame's buffer and buried
buffer lists by setting the corresponding frame's parameter.  I think
this was part of an attempt to make each and every frame related object
part of a frame's parameters.  But an application should not be allowed
to alter the history of buffers shown on a particular frame.  Let's
leave such activities to politicians - that's what they get paid for.

 > However, I'd like to fix the invalid frame case for
 > `(other-buffer nil nil 1)' with:
[...]

Elementary.

martin



  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-03  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-01 16:52 Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-01 17:45 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 18:03   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 20:18     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  7:10       ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 20:51   ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02  6:49     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  9:21       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02  2:06   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-02  7:00     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  6:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  9:59   ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02 15:10     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02 16:55       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-05  8:50       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-10 12:44         ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 17:34           ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-10 18:03             ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 22:09               ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11  5:45                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11  8:16                   ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11 10:52                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11 17:28                       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11 18:33                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-21  8:55                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21  9:46                           ` David Kastrup
2010-04-21 15:43                             ` Juri Linkov
     [not found]                               ` <jwv633k4rn2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2010-04-22  8:16                                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22 15:08                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-23  8:33                                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21 13:54                           ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-21 15:45                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21 16:04                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-22  8:14                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22 16:20                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-24 18:45                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 16:53                             ` Drew Adams
2010-04-23 18:02                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 18:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-24  9:17                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-24 14:41                                     ` Drew Adams
2010-04-24 18:49                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-24 19:24                                         ` Drew Adams
2010-04-25  5:36                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-25  9:15                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-04-25 18:33                                               ` Window configurations (was: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch) Juri Linkov
2010-04-26 16:16                                                 ` Window configurations martin rudalics
2010-04-27  8:54                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-27 12:54                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-04-27 18:03                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-27 19:47                                                         ` Info buffers in Desktop Juri Linkov
2010-04-28  7:12                                                         ` Window configurations martin rudalics
2010-04-28  8:27                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-27 19:55                                                   ` Davis Herring
2010-04-28  7:12                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-04-28 14:50                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-28  8:35                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-28 14:15                                                       ` Davis Herring
2010-05-07 18:14                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-30  3:19                                                 ` Window configurations (was: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch) Ken Hori
2010-04-30 20:33                                                   ` Window configurations Stefan Monnier
2010-05-02 20:31                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-02 23:34                                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-05-03  0:50                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-03  0:57                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-03  2:50                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-04 16:09                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-05  6:41                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-05 13:22                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-05 14:35                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-05 21:59                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-02 20:28                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-03  3:31                                                     ` Ken Hori
2010-05-04 16:12                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-05  9:19                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-05-05 18:05                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-06  8:21                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-06 20:47                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-10 19:16                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-11  7:01                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-11 16:45                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-12  9:29                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-05-13 22:46                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14  6:59                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-05-16 22:51                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-17  9:06                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-17 22:54                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-18 12:07                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-31 17:28                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-31 18:39                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-31 19:12                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-31 20:23                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-01  9:24                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2010-05-31 20:19                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-01  3:13                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-01  9:25                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 12:58                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-01  9:24                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 13:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-01 14:02                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-01 16:04                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 19:20                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-02 12:59                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-02 14:08                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-03  8:55                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 19:54                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-02 13:00                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-02 19:46                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-03  8:55                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-03 18:55                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-14 17:05                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-14 21:54                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-15  7:08                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-15 21:31                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-16 17:25                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-16 20:51                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-17  7:58                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-17  8:42                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-17 10:20                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-17 20:38                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-17 22:55                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  6:34                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-18  8:28                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-18  9:04                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-19  8:50                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-19 13:47                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-19 14:12                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-19 18:56                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 19:51                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-02 13:00                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-02 19:49                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-03  8:57                                                                                         ` martin rudalics [this message]
2010-06-03 14:22                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-03 15:42                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 13:11                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-04 14:07                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 16:59                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 12:49                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 10:36                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-06-04 14:06                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2010-06-03 18:54                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-04  8:11                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 16:57                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 12:49                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-05 19:47                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-06 13:21                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 18:31                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-03 18:52                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-04  8:11                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 17:09                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 12:49                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-05 19:49                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 21:58                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 18:30                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-06 10:38                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-07  1:12                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 13:40                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-07 15:36                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 17:38                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-08 13:06                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-08 20:19                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 13:20                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-11 13:52                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 17:12                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-05 18:19                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-06  8:22                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-06 13:04                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-06 14:59                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-06 16:17                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-08  3:09                                                           ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-08 13:54                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-08 15:42                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-09 14:01                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-09 14:21                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-09 15:01                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29  9:01                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29  9:23                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-29 10:01                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29 10:37                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-29 12:16                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29 20:14                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-29 20:01                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-30  6:35                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-30  8:12                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-10 19:19             ` Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch Stefan Monnier
2010-04-02 16:19     ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02 18:31       ` Daniel Colascione
2010-04-02 20:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-03  6:29         ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-03  9:07           ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02  6:53 ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02  7:25   ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-04 11:01     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-02 12:19   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-05 13:31 Window configurations grischka
2010-05-05 18:10 ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-05 19:47   ` grischka
2010-05-05 20:07 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-06 11:18 grischka
2010-05-11 13:54 grischka
2010-05-12  9:28 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-12 11:12   ` grischka
2010-05-12 13:03     ` martin rudalics
2010-05-12 18:33       ` grischka
2010-05-13 10:22         ` martin rudalics
2010-05-13 11:40           ` grischka
2010-05-13 13:53             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-13 17:13               ` grischka
2010-05-13 22:57                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14  6:58                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-14 10:42                   ` grischka
2010-05-14 11:45                     ` martin rudalics
2010-05-14 13:32                       ` grischka
2010-05-13 22:54             ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14 11:12               ` grischka
2010-05-14 11:45                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-16 22:49               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-17  9:06                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-17 22:48                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-13 22:48   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14  7:00     ` martin rudalics

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