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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>, Emacs <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Window configurations
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:59:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C0655BE.2060203@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv6322lg6y.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

 >> Maybe we also agree that we should show such a buffer when the window
 >> was "stolen" by a construct like `with-temp-buffer'.
 >
 > with-temp-buffer is probably a poor example since it doesn't affect
 > windows, but if you mean something like with-output-to-temp-buffer,

That's what I meant.

 > then
 > yes, we probably all agree.

Tracing `with-output-to-temp-buffer' is a pain.  I suppose
temp_output_buffer_show needs some reserved value for the second
argument of `display-buffer' so the latter can set up the window-local
buffer list appropriately.

 > We can solve each case as it shows up.  E.g. for the split-window case
 > (i.e. buffer shown in 2 windows only because that's what split-window
 > does, but the user then immediately switches to some other buffer), we
 > should try and find a way to capture the user's intention.

That's precisely the case I had in mind.  I have no idea how and why
people use `split-window'.  Hardly always to show the same buffer twice.
But I don't even know how I use it myself.

 > E.g. "immediately" after split-window, any set-window-buffer will not
 > push the current buffer on the buffer-list of that window.

Aren't there too many ways to make this `set-window-buffer' happen?  One
of the simplest is `next-buffer' which does `bury-buffer' for the old
buffer so it won't create any problems.  But what if the user decides to
consult some buffer switching application that pops up a window with
suggestions?

 > I thought you suggested to have a config var to decide whether to use
 > the current heuristic, or to use another heuristic which prefers buffers
 > from the window's buffer-list regardless of whether they are
 > shown elsewhere.  Isn't that what you meant in:
 >
 >    >> we should think about how we can tell which is
 >    >> the better choice in a given situation.
 >    > We could make this customizable.

Not really.  I want to avoid that changing the established behavior
causes people who do not care anyway ask for getting the old behavior
back.  If we make this customizable we can concentrate on the criticism
of people who really do care.

martin



  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-02 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-01 16:52 Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-01 17:45 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 18:03   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 20:18     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  7:10       ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 20:51   ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02  6:49     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  9:21       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02  2:06   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-02  7:00     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  6:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02  9:59   ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02 15:10     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02 16:55       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-05  8:50       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-10 12:44         ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 17:34           ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-10 18:03             ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 22:09               ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11  5:45                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11  8:16                   ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11 10:52                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11 17:28                       ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11 18:33                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-21  8:55                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21  9:46                           ` David Kastrup
2010-04-21 15:43                             ` Juri Linkov
     [not found]                               ` <jwv633k4rn2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2010-04-22  8:16                                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22 15:08                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-23  8:33                                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21 13:54                           ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-21 15:45                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21 16:04                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-22  8:14                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22 16:20                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-24 18:45                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 16:53                             ` Drew Adams
2010-04-23 18:02                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 18:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-24  9:17                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-24 14:41                                     ` Drew Adams
2010-04-24 18:49                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-24 19:24                                         ` Drew Adams
2010-04-25  5:36                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-25  9:15                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-04-25 18:33                                               ` Window configurations (was: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch) Juri Linkov
2010-04-26 16:16                                                 ` Window configurations martin rudalics
2010-04-27  8:54                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-27 12:54                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-04-27 18:03                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-27 19:47                                                         ` Info buffers in Desktop Juri Linkov
2010-04-28  7:12                                                         ` Window configurations martin rudalics
2010-04-28  8:27                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-27 19:55                                                   ` Davis Herring
2010-04-28  7:12                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-04-28 14:50                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-28  8:35                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-28 14:15                                                       ` Davis Herring
2010-05-07 18:14                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-30  3:19                                                 ` Window configurations (was: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch) Ken Hori
2010-04-30 20:33                                                   ` Window configurations Stefan Monnier
2010-05-02 20:31                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-02 23:34                                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-05-03  0:50                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-03  0:57                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-03  2:50                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-04 16:09                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-05  6:41                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-05 13:22                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-05 14:35                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-05 21:59                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-02 20:28                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-03  3:31                                                     ` Ken Hori
2010-05-04 16:12                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-05  9:19                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-05-05 18:05                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-06  8:21                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-06 20:47                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-10 19:16                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-11  7:01                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-11 16:45                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-12  9:29                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-05-13 22:46                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14  6:59                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-05-16 22:51                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-17  9:06                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-17 22:54                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-18 12:07                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-31 17:28                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-31 18:39                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-31 19:12                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-31 20:23                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-01  9:24                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2010-05-31 20:19                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-01  3:13                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-01  9:25                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 12:58                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-01  9:24                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 13:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-01 14:02                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-01 16:04                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 19:20                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-02 12:59                                                                                         ` martin rudalics [this message]
2010-06-02 14:08                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-03  8:55                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 19:54                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-02 13:00                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-02 19:46                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-03  8:55                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-03 18:55                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-14 17:05                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-14 21:54                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-15  7:08                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-15 21:31                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-16 17:25                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-16 20:51                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-17  7:58                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-17  8:42                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-17 10:20                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-17 20:38                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-17 22:55                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  6:34                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-18  8:28                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-18  9:04                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-19  8:50                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-19 13:47                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-19 14:12                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-19 18:56                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-01 19:51                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-02 13:00                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-02 19:49                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-03  8:57                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-03 14:22                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-03 15:42                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 13:11                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-04 14:07                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 16:59                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 12:49                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 10:36                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-06-04 14:06                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2010-06-03 18:54                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-04  8:11                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 16:57                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 12:49                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-05 19:47                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-06 13:21                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 18:31                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-03 18:52                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-04  8:11                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-04 17:09                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 12:49                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-05 19:49                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-05 21:58                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 18:30                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-06 10:38                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-06-07  1:12                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 13:40                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-07 15:36                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 17:38                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-08 13:06                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-08 20:19                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 13:20                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-11 13:52                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 17:12                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-05 18:19                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-06  8:22                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-06 13:04                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-06 14:59                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-06 16:17                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-08  3:09                                                           ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-08 13:54                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-08 15:42                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-09 14:01                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-09 14:21                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-09 15:01                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29  9:01                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29  9:23                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-29 10:01                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29 10:37                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-29 12:16                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-06-29 20:14                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-29 20:01                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-30  6:35                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-06-30  8:12                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-10 19:19             ` Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch Stefan Monnier
2010-04-02 16:19     ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02 18:31       ` Daniel Colascione
2010-04-02 20:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-03  6:29         ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-03  9:07           ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02  6:53 ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02  7:25   ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-04 11:01     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-02 12:19   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-05 13:31 Window configurations grischka
2010-05-05 18:10 ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-05 19:47   ` grischka
2010-05-05 20:07 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-06 11:18 grischka
2010-05-11 13:54 grischka
2010-05-12  9:28 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-12 11:12   ` grischka
2010-05-12 13:03     ` martin rudalics
2010-05-12 18:33       ` grischka
2010-05-13 10:22         ` martin rudalics
2010-05-13 11:40           ` grischka
2010-05-13 13:53             ` martin rudalics
2010-05-13 17:13               ` grischka
2010-05-13 22:57                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14  6:58                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-14 10:42                   ` grischka
2010-05-14 11:45                     ` martin rudalics
2010-05-14 13:32                       ` grischka
2010-05-13 22:54             ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14 11:12               ` grischka
2010-05-14 11:45                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-16 22:49               ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-17  9:06                 ` martin rudalics
2010-05-17 22:48                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-13 22:48   ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-14  7:00     ` martin rudalics

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