From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6204: vc-dir always splits the frame Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:14:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4BF91C10.1040301@gmx.at> References: <4jwrv35d7a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878w7fa7cr.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4BF504B4.50408@gmx.at> <4BF5736B.1030605@gmx.at> <4BF79ABA.7080006@gmx.at> <87ljbbv4u4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274617653 23118 80.91.229.12 (23 May 2010 12:27:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 6204@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 23 14:27:32 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGAHA-0005oS-HJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 14:27:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46686 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OGAH9-000341-Me for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 08:27:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59845 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OGAGz-00030x-MU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 08:27:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGAGu-0004Na-13 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 08:27:17 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGAGt-0004NR-MW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 08:27:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGA59-0006cA-48; Sun, 23 May 2010 08:15:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6204 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6204-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6204.127461685825388 (code B ref 6204); Sun, 23 May 2010 12:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6204) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2010 12:14:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGA4P-0006bR-Tn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 08:14:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGA4N-0006bM-Op for 6204@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 08:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 May 2010 12:14:09 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-45-2.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.45.2]) [62.47.45.2] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 23 May 2010 14:14:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Os0Jc5HsOg3g9DM46R3FrJ8niaToRKkJJQre+IY 0IMd2cE4NV0F5l User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: <87ljbbv4u4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:15:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:37198 Archived-At: >> Also, I'm afraid we currently ignore the fact that most users are simple >> not prepared to invest their time in studying the semantics of an option >> like `special-display-regexps'. > > There are simpler options `same-window-buffer-names' and > `same-window-regexps' that are very easy to understand > (a simple list of window names). These are currently a pain to customize. >> Finally, this and `special-display-buffer-names' are user options and we >> again have the problem that an application binding that > > No application should bind user customizable variables unless it's expected > by users (e.g. when a function name has the suffix `...-other-window'.) Agreed. >> (or, worse, permanently adding its buffer names to it) > > This is a legitimate way for an application to define > its default behavior. Look for example at: > > ;;;###autoload (add-hook 'same-window-regexps "\\*info\\*\\(\\|<[0-9]+>\\)") That's what I meant. It messes up customization. >> may conflict with users expectations > > When the default value conflicts with users expectations, the user > should be able to customize it, and user customizations should be > respected. I don't think a text like CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. counts as an invitation to customize an option. martin