From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Use Core Text for Cocoa Emacs Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:09:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4BF7BB6D.30001@swipnet.se> References: <94E6FF46-4227-4DA2-BE35-C64908558378@gmail.com> <18325.1274214480@ccs.covici.com> <24612.1274240176@ccs.covici.com> <6FB96086-3851-4AAB-BA98-4D4C7ED94F7D@mit.edu> <9342.1274324397@ccs.covici.com> <4BF4CF6E.4040105@gnu.org> <11778.1274337231@ccs.covici.com> <87sk5kifgy.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> <7733CBB7-C71D-4DC3-B256-5C91C68EF0C5@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274526612 26320 80.91.229.12 (22 May 2010 11:10:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney To: Adrian Robert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 22 13:10:10 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFmai-0000iJ-B7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 13:10:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59088 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OFmah-0004hC-NT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:10:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37781 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OFmab-0004fz-Vl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:09:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFmaa-0006Iv-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:09:57 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-h11.telenor.se ([62.127.194.4]:37555) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFmaZ-0006Ik-UB; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:09:56 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (ipb2.telenor.se [195.54.127.165]) by smtprelay-h11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4889C67A; Sat, 22 May 2010 13:09:54 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.35] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ask+ACtY90tV4S0jPGdsb2JhbACHaJYqDAEBAQE1Lb0DhRME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,282,1272837600"; d="scan'208";a="77834614" Original-Received: from c-232de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.35]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 22 May 2010 13:09:54 +0200 Original-Received: from anon-86-187.ipredate.net (anon-86-187.ipredate.net [93.182.187.86]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2407E7FA05A; Sat, 22 May 2010 13:09:42 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 In-Reply-To: <7733CBB7-C71D-4DC3-B256-5C91C68EF0C5@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125054 Archived-At: Adrian Robert skrev 2010-05-22 10.21: > > So you're saying they did what ended up being an inferior job of producing > accessibility APIs.. I still don't see how that is the same as saying "the > heck with you". Maybe Apple feels its more difficult API results in a > better experience for end users, and that it's better to have a few good > apps then many less good ones. Or maybe it doesn't, but it was just too > difficult for them to implement something as clean as the Windows approach > given the framework environment they were starting from. I don't know the > technical details here but I suspect both accessibility approaches were > retrofits. > Gnome/Gtk+ also has a separate accessibility-API. Jan D.