bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Uday S Reddy]

This is a whole series of problems:

- The Windows version of mouse-set-font is missing in Emacs 23.

- The file term/w32-win.el, where this used to be defined, is missing as
well.

- The menu-bar entry Options -> Set Font is being diverted to
menu-set-font, which is changing the font for all the frames, whereas
mouse-set-font used to change it for the current frame.  The NEWS file
says that this change has been made, but doesn't say what one should do
to change the font of a frame.  Like a reader of the hemp-emacs-windows
colorfully described:

"That's a bit like your car's manual saying that turning the steering wheel now
affects the turn-signal lights instead of steering, without saying anything
about how to steer the car. ;-)"

- The S-left-mouse-1 has been rebound to a mouse-appearance-menu which
is changing fonts for buffers instead of frames.  

In summary, Emacs 23 seems to have done everything it can possibly do to
defeat the efforts of a Windows user to change the font of a frame.
What on earth is going on?

Cheers,
Uday




In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/xpm/include'

Important settings:
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<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> 
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-1> C-x m C-x k <return> M-x r e p o r t - e 
m a c s - SPC SPC b SPC <return>

Recent messages:
Buffer A: Processing difference region 0 of 1
Buffer B: Processing difference region 0 of 1
Processing difference regions ... done
Refining difference region 1 ...
Quit this Ediff session? (y or n) 
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byte-code: End of buffer
byte-code: Beginning of buffer [13 times]
`mail to _ on ""' is gone forever!
Making completion list... [2 times]

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bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Juanma Barranquero]

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 13:24, Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote:

> - The file term/w32-win.el, where this used to be defined, is missing as
> well.

Does this mean that your 23.2 does not have the file
lisp/term/w32-win.el? Because it should...

    Juanma

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Uday S Reddy]

Juanma Barranquero writes:

> > - The file term/w32-win.el, where this used to be defined, is missing as
> > well.
> 
> Does this mean that your 23.2 does not have the file
> lisp/term/w32-win.el? Because it should...

Sorry, I must have looked in the wrong place.  The file is there, but
it doesn't have the mouse-set-font function.

Cheers,
Uday

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Juanma Barranquero]

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 15:03, Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Sorry, I must have looked in the wrong place.  The file is there, but
> it doesn't have the mouse-set-font function.

Try M-x mouse-set-font <RET>

    Juanma

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Uday S Reddy]

Juanma Barranquero writes:

> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 15:03, Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, I must have looked in the wrong place.  The file is there, but
> > it doesn't have the mouse-set-font function.
> 
> Try M-x mouse-set-font <RET>

Unfortunately, the version of this function in Emacs 23 doesn't give a
Windows font dialogue box.  It gives what looks like a condensed X
font dialogue box.  Those fonts are not particularly good.

The Windows version of the function is missing.

Cheers,
Uday

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:31:37 +0100
> From: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
> Cc: 6228@debbugs.gnu.org, Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
> 
> Juanma Barranquero writes:
> 
> > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 15:03, Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry, I must have looked in the wrong place.  The file is there, but
> > > it doesn't have the mouse-set-font function.
> > 
> > Try M-x mouse-set-font <RET>
> 
> Unfortunately, the version of this function in Emacs 23 doesn't give a
> Windows font dialogue box.  It gives what looks like a condensed X
> font dialogue box.  Those fonts are not particularly good.
> 
> The Windows version of the function is missing.

Don't you get the font selection dialog if you press S-mouse-1
(i.e. hold Shift and click the left mouse button)?

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Drew Adams]

> Don't you get the font selection dialog if you press S-mouse-1
> (i.e. hold Shift and click the left mouse button)?

The point is that that dialog has changed. It no longer lets you set the default
font for the frame. Now it sets the default font for the _buffer_, using
remapping. That affects all windows showing the buffer, in all frames.

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: <6228@debbugs.gnu.org>, <lekktu@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:30:26 -0700
> 
> > Don't you get the font selection dialog if you press S-mouse-1
> > (i.e. hold Shift and click the left mouse button)?
> 
> The point is that that dialog has changed. It no longer lets you set the default
> font for the frame. Now it sets the default font for the _buffer_, using
> remapping. That affects all windows showing the buffer, in all frames.

That didn't seem to be OP's point.  He was complaining about the
dialog that's gone.  But I do see the dialog, when I select "Change
Buffer Font" from the menu that pops up with S-mouse-1.

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Drew Adams]

> > > Don't you get the font selection dialog if you press S-mouse-1
> > > (i.e. hold Shift and click the left mouse button)?
> > 
> > The point is that that dialog has changed. It no longer 
> > lets you set the default font for the frame. Now it sets the
> > default font for the _buffer_, using remapping. That affects
> > all windows showing the buffer, in all frames.
> 
> That didn't seem to be OP's point.

Well that was the point (one of his points) when he posted on help-gnu-emacs.

But he can speak for himself better than I can speak for him. I was just trying
to help here.

> He was complaining about the dialog that's gone.
> But I do see the dialog, when I select "Change
> Buffer Font" from the menu that pops up with S-mouse-1.

Yes, you will see the same Windows font dialog box as previously for S-mouse-1,
if you choose "Change Buffer Font". But that dialog box now changes the buffer
font, not the frame font. The meaning has changed.

And there is no easy way (e.g. via S-mouse-1) to change the font for a single
frame.

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Uday Reddy]

On 5/20/2010 6:55 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> That didn't seem to be OP's point.  He was complaining about the
> dialog that's gone.  But I do see the dialog, when I select "Change
> Buffer Font" from the menu that pops up with S-mouse-1.
>    
Well, Drew understands my point fine.  To repeat it (with emphasis added):

"In summary, Emacs 23 seems to have done everything it can possibly do to
defeat the efforts of a Windows user to change the font of a *frame*."

Juanma's answer was: use mouse-set-font (the X window version), to which the response is that it doesn't give a Windows font dialogue.

Your answer was: use S-mouse-1, to which the response is that it doesn't change the font of a frame.

The original question hasn't changed.  We are just going in circles!

Nobody has said anything yet about why the original Windows version of mouse-set-font was thrown away.

Cheers,
Uday

bug#6228: 23.2; Font setting menu on Windows

[Jason Rumney]

tags 6228 notabug
thanks

 Not a bug, a deliberate change described in NEWS.