From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Angelo Graziosi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bash scripts in black and white Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:20:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4BEE6767.5090607@alice.it> References: <4BEBC372.5010402@alice.it> <4BEDBF5C.1040306@alice.it> <838w7lfzdo.fsf@gnu.org> <4BEE5837.80203@alice.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273915307 22933 80.91.229.12 (15 May 2010 09:21:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 15 11:21:45 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ODDZ3-0005ae-Im for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 11:21:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45610 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ODDZ2-00062X-VE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:21:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45514 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ODDYu-000615-Jb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:21:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ODDYt-0005f6-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:21:36 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out116.alice.it ([85.37.17.116]:1873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ODDYr-0005ee-Uq; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:21:34 -0400 Original-Received: from FBCMMO03.fbc.local ([192.168.68.197]) by smtp-out116.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 May 2010 11:21:30 +0200 Original-Received: from FBCMCL01B06.fbc.local ([192.168.69.87]) by FBCMMO03.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 May 2010 11:20:48 +0200 Original-Received: from [87.6.212.78] ([87.6.212.78]) by FBCMCL01B06.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 May 2010 11:20:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; it; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2010 09:20:47.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[E77E6EB0:01CAF40F] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124792 Archived-At: Il 15/05/2010 11.12, Juanma Barranquero ha scritto: > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:15, Angelo Graziosi wrote: > >> Often the bugs come from lack of bootstrap, and bootstrap (+PDF manual, >> +tar.xz of the binary distribution) takes about 25 minutes on Cygwin, which >> is only an emulator... > > Bootstrap failures are few and far between, so half an hour* to test > every change is a waste of resources**. In any case, bootstrap > failures are usually detected and fixed in a few hours. I did not refer to bootstrap failure! and not to bootstrap at every changes. At least once per week or when there are many many changes: catching a bug soon is better than after some time :-) > > *: Not everyone has powerful, up-to-date computers. My PC was born on September 2007! with the same XP! > **: I *do* bootstrap almost daily; but I don't think it should be > forced on everyone. If we wanted such an always-buildable, > always-runable repository, we would be better served by a continuous > integration setup. I don't think we want, though. See above. Ciao, Angelo.