From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>,
"Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>,
"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
"Emacs-Devel devel" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 22:31:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BDF40BE.2050301@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p2oe01d8a51005030259ye5507659wc39e7ab4d40bca0d@mail.gmail.com>
On 03/05/10 10:59, Lennart Borgman wrote:
> Yes, but does not that mean that it should start as a topmost window?
>
[I prefer always-on-top terminologically: It is very easy for a non-w32
person to read (or write) topmost as "start as the instantaneously top
window [in the window's current stack layer]", i.e. raised, the
equivalent of w32 HWND_TOP, rather than "start as a window in the
always-on-top stack layer", the w32 HWND_TOPMOST.]
> On the other hand if using Growl (as David De La Harpe Golden
> suggested) then you have this capabilities there already I believe.
While adding stacking-layer, override-redirect, disposition/type-hint,
transient-for, no-decorations and more as elisp-exposed emacs frame
parameters is obviously technically possible on x11 (well, some might
only be settable at make-frame time and then read-only), I expect most
users on x11 would prefer apps wanting to do bubble notifications use
the relevant service, and I thought growl might be a close analogue
available on w32/macosx.
IMO the notification popper-upper daemon is a special case that can "get
away with" doing certain things rather than an example for emacs to
follow, but I did go digging into current x11 practice for the
notification daemon's windows - in the interests of full disclosure:
gnome-notification-daemon and xfce4-notifyd both use windows of
_TYPE_NOTIFICATION [1][2], but the former also makes it an override
redirect window [3] and the latter a _STATE_ABOVE window [4] with no
decorations (_MOTIF_WM_HINTS).
[1]
http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-notifyd/tree/xfce4-notifyd/xfce-notify-window.c#n224
[2]
http://git.gnome.org/browse/notification-daemon/tree/src/themes/standard/theme.c#n611
[3]
http://git.gnome.org/browse/notification-daemon/tree/src/themes/standard/theme.c#n596
[4]
http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-notifyd/tree/xfce4-notifyd/xfce-notify-window.c#n217
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-03 21:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-30 1:48 Add function to make frame topmost? Lennart Borgman
2010-04-30 13:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-30 13:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-30 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-30 22:02 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-30 22:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 8:00 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-30 22:32 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-30 23:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 1:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 2:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 13:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-01 18:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 20:20 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-01 22:02 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 22:09 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 14:07 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-02 15:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 15:58 ` stack-order (z-order) parameter for frames [was: Add function to make frame topmost?] Drew Adams
2010-05-01 22:44 ` Add function to make frame topmost? Lennart Borgman
2010-05-02 1:18 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 7:47 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 12:52 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 7:27 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 12:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 12:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 13:44 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03 3:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 14:43 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 14:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-02 14:55 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 16:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 18:58 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 21:32 ` Desktop bubble notifications [Was: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?] David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03 0:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 2:29 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03 19:46 ` Stephen Eilert
2010-05-03 19:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-04 11:48 ` Desktop bubble notifications Bastien
2010-05-02 19:17 ` Add function to make frame topmost? chad
2010-05-03 3:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 14:01 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-02 15:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 3:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-03 9:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-03 19:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 21:31 ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2010-05-02 0:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-02 1:17 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 2:10 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 2:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 3:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 16:39 ` Tom Tromey
2010-05-03 19:33 ` systray support [was: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?] Dan Nicolaescu
2010-05-01 3:19 ` Add function to make frame topmost? David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 8:28 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-01 19:46 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 22:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 5:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-05-03 12:47 ` Lennart Borgman
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