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From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"Emacs-Devel devel" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?
Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 04:19:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BDB9DCF.8020504@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <h2te01d8a51004301622j43064af6h9250af977bc2148b@mail.gmail.com>

Lennart Borgman wrote:

> The problem is that it is not powerful enough for things like menus of
> the type used by for company-mode or completion-ui (see EmacsWiki).

I'm not too familiar with either. I think the tooltip type window hint 
is indeed also used or abused for completion panel display by some 
non-emacs X11 apps (so says xprop). I don't now want to give too much 
weight to it - what emacs puts in and does with an X11 window that it 
tells the window manager is a tooltip is still pretty much up to emacs 
(of course currently emacs might currently only be allowing display of a 
string...)

 > What about having a
> function make-tooltip-type-frame?
>

Hmm. It _might_ make sense to allow it as an elisp-exposed emacs frame 
parameter.  e.g. for argument's sake

(make-frame '((disposition . tooltip))
(make-frame '((disposition . utility)))
etc.

Not sure "disposition" is the right word...

It would probably then also prove necessary to be able to specify 
override-redirect and wm-transient-for at the lisp level as frame 
parameters (though maybe the former could be implied - you're hardly not 
going turn on override-redirect if you're making a tooltip) - the 
lisp-level wm-transient-for (or "master-frame") frame parameter could 
probably be limited to other emacs frames.

OTOH, that all might be getting a bit lowlevel to expose so directly at 
the elisp level:  The precedent from tooltips and popup menus is that 
there are special-purpose apis for them at the elisp level, maybe
there's an argument for some sort of  single-purpose
(inline-completion-panel-show <mumble>)
and (notification-show <mumble>)
functions by analogy with
(tooltip-show "blah") and (popup-menu 'blah).

such an approach has the advantage it might be coaxed into doing 
something vaguely useful on text terminals.

OTOTOH, maybe the extra frame parameters might become a lower level 
implementation detail of such an api.







  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-01  3:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-30  1:48 Add function to make frame topmost? Lennart Borgman
2010-04-30 13:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-30 13:26   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-30 20:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-30 22:02       ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-30 22:13         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01  8:00           ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-30 22:32       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-30 23:22         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01  1:48           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01  2:06             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 13:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-01 18:03                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 20:20                   ` Drew Adams
2010-05-01 22:02                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 22:09                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 14:07                       ` Drew Adams
2010-05-02 15:27                         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 15:58                           ` stack-order (z-order) parameter for frames [was: Add function to make frame topmost?] Drew Adams
2010-05-01 22:44                   ` Add function to make frame topmost? Lennart Borgman
2010-05-02  1:18                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02  7:47                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 12:52                         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02  7:27                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 12:27                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 12:53                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 13:44                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03  3:16                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 14:43                         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 14:48                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-02 14:55                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 16:48                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 18:58                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 21:32                             ` Desktop bubble notifications [Was: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?] David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03  0:19                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03  2:29                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03 19:46                                   ` Stephen Eilert
2010-05-03 19:58                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-04 11:48                               ` Desktop bubble notifications Bastien
2010-05-02 19:17                         ` Add function to make frame topmost? chad
2010-05-03  3:33                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 14:01                       ` Drew Adams
2010-05-02 15:06                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03  3:43                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-03  9:59                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 17:21                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-03 19:50                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 21:31                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02  0:36                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-02  1:17                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01  2:10           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01  2:32             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01  3:49               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 16:39             ` Tom Tromey
2010-05-03 19:33               ` systray support [was: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?] Dan Nicolaescu
2010-05-01  3:19           ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2010-05-01  8:28           ` Add function to make frame topmost? Jan Djärv
2010-05-01 19:46             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 22:46               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01  5:25     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-05-03 12:47 ` Lennart Borgman

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