From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:16:39 -0600 Message-ID: <4BB150F7.6@gmail.com> References: <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <20100326092833.19294vuz9efv5qg4@webmail.mnet-online.de> <33DBCF2DFF71401DB0861E66EC29ED2B@us.oracle.com> <5F1D87251C98412EADC1187ABFCC3E8D@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269911818 16768 80.91.229.12 (30 Mar 2010 01:16:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:16:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 30 03:16:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwQ4b-0008QR-3q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:16:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36160 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwQ4Z-0000bN-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:16:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NwQ4V-0000bI-40 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38782 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwQ4T-0000bA-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwQ4S-00057V-TO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f190.google.com ([209.85.210.190]:34879) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwQ4S-00057Q-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:16:44 -0400 Original-Received: by yxe28 with SMTP id 28so1201067yxe.27 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DS3SBSTuvB54r5bioL8nzErOqrbLxSjsPyhYsWuIJAg=; b=B3kGRE9bERwR9WDqRA9WcFO/jqeP6upHdLKtp9WHbo+p22mV/k8ZLdZuVVPm+NDVTL fy1L3mqGaefN/mdMMopvDwfWWFrqiMvn7hbC1LRAOqYComX3zxw1Mmw5TG5U38nG9nYa oQnOafhVdX43WJ6HWAkfV9fvQtPHTGjp8kGmM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LObremTj/4hoxutRiOqaxlXf8zSFW+gS2GnAZO/coj40eBJV35QudLhSk12Wbd7XO/ ed+9YZJ+16XtUmLe+U+OuQdvh8HkjuaurslEAmAe83dPt+PNkNkvLYjemGESvF3kqxCx xf7KnFImJFODV11UQ5z+nA+XUXeHJPJ9ccJ0M= Original-Received: by 10.100.233.7 with SMTP id f7mr10337499anh.91.1269911802575; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (67-41-150-181.hlrn.qwest.net [67.41.150.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1271972ywh.1.2010.03.29.18.16.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:16:41 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122894 Archived-At: On 3/29/2010 6:08 PM, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> >> Undo can be done under X windows using C-/, which is just as easy >> to type as C-z. >> > No, I do not think so for several reasons: > > - It is not as easy to type for `undo' if your are used to using C-z for that. > Oh yes, once in a while you see me cursing at the computer thinking I accidently closed it but I just hit C-z... > - It is not necessarily as easy to type on an international keyboard I can confirm this. On a German keyboard layout I actually use C-_ over C-\, which is way easier. On the other hand, the Y and Z are also switched, so C-z is imho only nice on a US layout. Christoph