From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Roehler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.python-mode,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: plan for emacs python tooling (esp python.el, python-mode.el)? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:47:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4B9F61DD.4050507@online.de> References: <87sk81cz0m.fsf@pobox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268736342 5552 80.91.229.12 (16 Mar 2010 10:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom Roche , python-mode@python.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: python-mode-bounces+gcpp-python-mode=m.gmane.org@python.org Tue Mar 16 11:45:28 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcpp-python-mode@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail.python.org ([82.94.164.166]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrUH9-0001zN-Jt for gcpp-python-mode@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:45:27 +0100 Original-Received: from albatross.python.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CAAF8AE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:45:27 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=python.org; s=200901; t=1268736327; bh=iYxMCGNDJInx8ffhlKZHodOJs8Rt9IM73ER6feT7mpI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:References:In-Reply-To:Cc: Subject:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help: List-Subscribe:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; b=Zy9psc3pigRyECiGHi7Mhjmkbe+RgYxkUkqEy2VGoGW6Rkg1nd4LJJuWNmHfIYxev ix5atgdz4xUwFBl68WdJZldGeuxJf8UYRF2WTXqBEnYn6zu4cN3AdqWGr6CSQm4Ds8 uUMebKpAtRfegt7IWv+2Abb3Yt7uzPom242rXuhQ= Original-Received: from albatross.python.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F281F7AF for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:45:22 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Status: OK 0.150 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.70; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:192.168.178': 0.07; 'summary:': 0.09; 'wrote:': 0.13; 'subject:python': 0.13; 'debugging,': 0.16; 'imho.': 0.16; 'stefan': 0.16; 'switching': 0.16; 'url:launchpad': 0.16; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'url:code': 0.23; 'cc:2**2': 0.26; 'precise': 0.27; 'received:kundenserver.de': 0.27; 'received:moutng.kundenserver.de': 0.27; 'subject:: ': 0.28; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'focus': 0.31; 'environment': 0.31; 'source': 0.33; 'implement': 0.34; 'editor.': 0.35; 'received:212.227.126': 0.35; '(the': 0.35; 'received:192': 0.35; 'until': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'received:de': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.38; 'being': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.39; 'would': 0.39; 'having': 0.40; "let's": 0.40; 'received:212.227': 0.40; 'proto:https': 0.60; 'here': 0.62; 'needed': 0.62; 'progress': 0.65; 'ship': 0.65; 'free': 0.65; Original-Received: from localhost (HELO mail.python.org) (127.0.0.1) by albatross.python.org with SMTP; 16 Mar 2010 11:45:22 +0100 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:45:19 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BE8833.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.136.51]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LrHzA-1NfR5j0eU8-013fEk; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:45:16 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18GZTTCC7p+eJDY+lhs1EtHpb2Le2SPYzax5MX LqvGww/NaB7qwcn41ZYsS9745CryaR4p6OPSoN2vER0XR35+5T 3ni46nxWU2WO0I7ITamkVDtQzh7QRFCCPULFs7yOcA= X-BeenThere: python-mode@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: For issues concerning python-mode for X/Emacs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: python-mode-bounces+gcpp-python-mode=m.gmane.org@python.org Errors-To: python-mode-bounces+gcpp-python-mode=m.gmane.org@python.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.python-mode:400 gmane.emacs.devel:122048 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: >> summary: Is the near-term plan for GNU emacs (e.g. for 2010-2011) to >> ship with python.el, python-mode.el, both, or something completely >> different? > > The plan is to ship it with python.el until we can ship it with > python-mode.el (the barrier being coipyright assignments). > > > Stefan > > > Hi Stefan, as far as I understand the OP, the focus is rather the python-environment than the editor. As far as it concerns editing, python.el, python-mode.el are both suitable IMHO. Don't see a real gain by switching one for the other. If a precise feature is missed here or there, let's implement it... Progress would mean having a download source for an environment, which offers all needed at once: debugging, refactoring, auto-completion etc. Such an environment should enable emacs editing modes, but vim and other free tools too. Andreas -- https://code.launchpad.net/~a-roehler/python-mode https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/