From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4B9E5CC4.5020303@swipnet.se> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20100314093329.GA1362@muc.de> <87y6htposg.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268669666 25167 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 16:14:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cloos@jhcloos.com, Alan Mackenzie , eliz@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 17:14:21 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrCvo-0000Ip-VW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:14:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57103 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrCvo-0002tV-9z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NrCvi-0002pf-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:14:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47905 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrCvg-0002mx-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:14:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrCvf-0001X3-Fc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:14:08 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-b11.telenor.se ([62.127.194.20]:34244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrCvY-0001UZ-UN; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:14:01 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (ipb2.telenor.se [195.54.127.165]) by smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4A8D177; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:13:57 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.110] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApFDAKb5nUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACHYZMPDAEBAQE3LblNhHsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,644,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="50586918" Original-Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2010 17:13:56 +0100 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8C07FA01A; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:13:56 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) In-Reply-To: <87y6htposg.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122007 Archived-At: Chong Yidong skrev: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> It's based on the assumption that the user will use the scroll bar to >> scroll. That's not true for all users -- for instance, I would never >> use the scroll bar to scroll in Emacs, because the keyboard is so much >> more convenient. >> >> The scroll bar can also be used to see where in the buffer you are. >> It is not necessary to use the scroll bar for this, since the mode >> line gives the same info. But some people may have the habit of >> getting it from the scroll bar. Maybe people who use the scroll bar >> that way would prefer it on the right. > > I think the solution floated earlier can address this: those who want to > use the scroll bar as a visual aid should compile without GTK tool bars, > and we should place such tool bars on the left by default, where they > traditionally are in Motif and other old X apps. GTK tool bars should > be placed on the right by default, like all other GTK apps. > I think you meant scroll bars. Jan D.