From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christophe Poncy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:29:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B9DC5CF.9030600@canaxis.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268631039 23630 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 05:30:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:30:39 +0000 (UTC) To: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 06:30:35 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr2ss-0007nV-Rg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:30:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50964 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr2sr-00034F-RL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:30:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr2si-00034A-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:30:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52306 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr2sX-00032F-B7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:30:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr2sI-0002Du-SV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from relay4-v.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.78]:54354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr2sI-0002DB-N0; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:29:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.100.10] (lns-bzn-42-82-255-80-187.adsl.proxad.net [82.255.80.187]) (Authenticated sender: cp@canaxis.org) by relay4-v.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DCCBA2F; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:29:55 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 Original-References: E1NqtWB-0005LT-Ds@fencepost.gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121987 Archived-At: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:30:31, Richard Stallman wrote: > [...] > I expect that beginners are more likely to use the scroll bar, while > experienced users would not. But the experienced users can turn off > the scroll bar, or move it, so we need not cater to them. The > beginners are the most important users to think about when making this > decision. > Hello Richard, The real question here is closely related to efficiency. Some of my friends ask me why I like emacs so much. There are a lot of reasons, but I think the main one is that it's much effective to use the keyboard. Learning to work in the Emacs way was an investment, but the effort has made me more proficient in my profession. IMHO, your idea of a "keyboard immersion mode" would be much helpful for beginners [1]. I use emacs for 3 years now and i look forward the Emacsification of the entire GNU system, but it's another question :) Best regards Footnotes: [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01223.html -- Support free software! Join FSF: https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom?referrer=4574