From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Roehler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: dired without -l, wdired fails Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:38:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4B794E72.1080309@online.de> References: <4B794437.6060403@online.de> <87aavafxv6.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1266241255 4174 80.91.229.12 (15 Feb 2010 13:40:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Tassilo Horn Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 15 14:40:52 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh1Bx-0001qP-A7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:40:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53270 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nh1Bw-0000rs-NH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:40:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nh18R-00087t-QE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:37:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37385 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nh18Q-00087K-O0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:37:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh18Q-0004g8-7Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:37:10 -0500 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]:49197) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh18P-0004fm-Rh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:37:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BE89BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.137.188]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M03sS-1NxZaI2nL2-00u83g; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:37:07 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) In-Reply-To: <87aavafxv6.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+5IxSaRKECjVn6XwV8/+9k1OKcyT5ba8dSOpi 5JvPuwyhnR9q9wrR7UxppEPgyIWkYaOIQs4SzNVgY0sykk4awI Ns5VB5A/xBhyKZl0MY2Ee1MDALaPxwO/9/3zEkis84= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:71873 Archived-At: Tassilo Horn wrote: > Andreas Roehler writes: > > Hi Andreas, > >> if `dired' is called without the `-l' switch, >> wdired... no longer works, buffer isn't editable. > > Does dired work without -l? At least the docs say it MUST contain -l. > > ,----[ C-h v dired-listing-switches RET ] > | dired-listing-switches is a variable defined in `dired.el'. > | Its value is "-aDlh" > | > | Documentation: > | Switches passed to `ls' for Dired. MUST contain the `l' option. > | May contain all other options that don't contradict `-l'; > | may contain even `F', `b', `i' and `s'. See also the variable > | `dired-ls-F-marks-symlinks' concerning the `F' switch. > | On systems such as MS-DOS and MS-Windows, which use `ls' emulation in Lisp, > | some of the `ls' switches are not supported; see the doc string of > | `insert-directory' in `ls-lisp.el' for more details. > `---- > > Bye, > Tassilo > Hi Tassilo, you are right. It's a convenience-bug anyway IMO. IIRC `dired' basically displays the output of shell-command `ls [options]' in a buffer, afterwards working with, send it back to the shell. >From this I never understood this limitation, which looks inconvenient in many respects. Thanks Andreas