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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:45:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B648C6E.8080905@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ljffif09.fsf@gnu.org>

 >> Inconvenient for the user.  Why scroll something out of view if there's
 >> no urgent need to do so.  (Although a similar argument could be made for
 >> pure LR text as well
 >
 > Exactly!  So perhaps we should adopt this design,

Which one?

 > as it doesn't make
 > things worse and does not require additional interfaces (such as
 > `window-RL-hscroll').
 >
 >>  > That's what would happen if the second line was
 >>  > displayed at the left margin, like this:
 >>  >
 >>  >       +---------+---------+-------------------+
 >>  >       |$ijk     |abcdefgh$|abcdefghijk        |
 >>  >       |$IJK     |$HGFEDCBA|        KJIHGFEDCBA|
 >>           ^^^^^^^^^
 >>  >       |         |         |                   |
 >>  >       +---------+---------+-------------------+
 >>
 >> I fail to understand the marked text in your example.
 >
 > In the current unidirectional display, where text is always displayed
 > in its logical (i.e. reading) order, the second line would have been
 > displayed as "ABCDEFGHIJK", flushed to the left margin.  Then when the
 > line above it is scrolled to show just "$ijk", so would be the second
 > line, and it would display as "$IJK".

I still don't get you.  In your earlier examples capitalized text always
showed reverse as KJI and not as IJK.  But I also fail to understand why
there's no text on the right of this.  So maybe you meant something like

       +---------+---------+-------------------+
       |$ijk     |abcdefgh$|abcdefghijk        |
       | KJIHGFE$|        $|        KJIHGFEDCBA|
       |         |         |                   |
       +---------+---------+-------------------+

(no text in the second line of the second window) instead?

 > My point was that the bidirectional display conceptually does the
 > same, except it reverses the characters and flushes them to the right.

I suppose this would apply regardless of the strategy chosen.

martin




  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-30 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-30 13:44 Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 15:14 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-30 15:33   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 16:36 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 17:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 17:22     ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 17:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:31         ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 19:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 19:45             ` martin rudalics [this message]
2010-01-30 21:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31  9:36                 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-31 18:02                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 20:01                     ` martin rudalics
2010-01-31 21:53                       ` Miles Bader
2010-02-01  4:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01  8:34                         ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01  4:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01  8:34                         ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01 20:21                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-02  8:08                             ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 19:30                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 16:06                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01 21:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02  8:08                         ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 13:23                           ` tomas
2010-02-02 14:39                             ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 19:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  6:29                               ` tomas
2010-02-02 21:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-06  6:35                               ` tomas
2010-02-06 14:46                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-06 22:55                                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 21:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 23:26 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-31 12:42 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-31 15:02   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-31 18:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 18:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 21:05     ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-01 21:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-02 21:21         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-01 14:00 ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-01 20:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 22:05     ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-02 20:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 13:10         ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-03 18:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 11:01             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 15:14               ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-04 15:57                 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-04 17:21                   ` Davis Herring
2010-02-04 19:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 20:46                   ` [emacs-bidi] " tomas
2010-02-04 22:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  6:41                       ` [emacs-bidi] " tomas
2010-02-04 22:05                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-02-04 19:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 12:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 13:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 18:06                     ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-05 21:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 22:55                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-07  4:08                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-07  8:35                             ` David Kastrup
2010-02-07 15:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 14:02             ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-04 19:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 19:48                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  6:52               ` tomas
2010-02-03 21:02           ` Davis Herring
2010-02-04  4:16             ` Bidirectional embeddings (was: Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll) Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 16:21             ` [emacs-bidi] Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Ehud Karni
2010-02-04 19:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 22:13                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-05  9:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 10:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 18:06                     ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-06 13:39                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-06 15:45                       ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-06 19:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 21:18                         ` [emacs-bidi] " David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-11 21:40                     ` Beni Cherniavsky
2010-02-12 11:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-12 12:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 12:21                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-05 13:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 14:22                     ` Miles Bader
2010-02-05 14:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  1:07                         ` Miles Bader
2010-02-06  9:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  9:32                             ` Miles Bader
2010-02-06 15:42                     ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-06 19:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 13:22         ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-03 19:01           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 14:08             ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-01 15:36 ` Stefan Monnier

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