From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:45:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B648C6E.8080905@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ljffif09.fsf@gnu.org>
>> Inconvenient for the user. Why scroll something out of view if there's
>> no urgent need to do so. (Although a similar argument could be made for
>> pure LR text as well
>
> Exactly! So perhaps we should adopt this design,
Which one?
> as it doesn't make
> things worse and does not require additional interfaces (such as
> `window-RL-hscroll').
>
>> > That's what would happen if the second line was
>> > displayed at the left margin, like this:
>> >
>> > +---------+---------+-------------------+
>> > |$ijk |abcdefgh$|abcdefghijk |
>> > |$IJK |$HGFEDCBA| KJIHGFEDCBA|
>> ^^^^^^^^^
>> > | | | |
>> > +---------+---------+-------------------+
>>
>> I fail to understand the marked text in your example.
>
> In the current unidirectional display, where text is always displayed
> in its logical (i.e. reading) order, the second line would have been
> displayed as "ABCDEFGHIJK", flushed to the left margin. Then when the
> line above it is scrolled to show just "$ijk", so would be the second
> line, and it would display as "$IJK".
I still don't get you. In your earlier examples capitalized text always
showed reverse as KJI and not as IJK. But I also fail to understand why
there's no text on the right of this. So maybe you meant something like
+---------+---------+-------------------+
|$ijk |abcdefgh$|abcdefghijk |
| KJIHGFE$| $| KJIHGFEDCBA|
| | | |
+---------+---------+-------------------+
(no text in the second line of the second window) instead?
> My point was that the bidirectional display conceptually does the
> same, except it reverses the characters and flushes them to the right.
I suppose this would apply regardless of the strategy chosen.
martin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-01-30 19:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-30 13:44 Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 15:14 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-30 15:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 16:36 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 17:22 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:31 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 19:45 ` martin rudalics [this message]
2010-01-30 21:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 9:36 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-31 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 20:01 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-31 21:53 ` Miles Bader
2010-02-01 4:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 8:34 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01 4:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 8:34 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-02 8:08 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 19:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 16:06 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 8:08 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 13:23 ` tomas
2010-02-02 14:39 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 6:29 ` tomas
2010-02-02 21:21 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-06 6:35 ` tomas
2010-02-06 14:46 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-06 22:55 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 21:21 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 23:26 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-31 12:42 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-31 15:02 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-31 18:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-01 21:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-02 21:21 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-01 14:00 ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-01 20:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 22:05 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-02 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 13:10 ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-03 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 11:01 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 15:14 ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-04 15:57 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-04 17:21 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-04 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 20:46 ` [emacs-bidi] " tomas
2010-02-04 22:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 6:41 ` [emacs-bidi] " tomas
2010-02-04 22:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-02-04 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 12:44 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 13:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 18:06 ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-05 21:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 22:55 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-07 4:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-07 8:35 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-07 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 14:02 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-04 19:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 19:48 ` [emacs-bidi] " Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 6:52 ` tomas
2010-02-03 21:02 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-04 4:16 ` Bidirectional embeddings (was: Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll) Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 16:21 ` [emacs-bidi] Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Ehud Karni
2010-02-04 19:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 22:13 ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-05 9:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 18:06 ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-06 13:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-06 15:45 ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-06 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 21:18 ` [emacs-bidi] " David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-11 21:40 ` Beni Cherniavsky
2010-02-12 11:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-12 12:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 12:21 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-05 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 14:22 ` Miles Bader
2010-02-05 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 1:07 ` Miles Bader
2010-02-06 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 9:32 ` Miles Bader
2010-02-06 15:42 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-06 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 13:22 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-03 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 14:08 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-01 15:36 ` Stefan Monnier
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