From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Pfeiffer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5027: Funny keyboard bahaviour, maybe grab? 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Since then, whichever I type, Emacs complains that this Sawfish=20 window-manager keybinding is undefined. The key bindings work when any other application is focused, so I=20 suspect this is an Emacs problem. What I don't understand, is that IMHO=20 the window manager should take these key events and an application like=20 Emacs should never even notice them? AFAIK, the only exception to this=20 rule is if Emacs grabs the keyboard, as it should while prompting for a=20 password. The only way out, seems not to fully maximize emacs, so a thin strip of=20 the pager remains, such that I can mouse-click focus away from Emacs,=20 before typing my key-combo. I have a very keyboard-centric setup, and I=20 spend more than half of my time in Emacs, so this is a major hassle! coralament / best Gr=C3=B6tens / liebe Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe / best regards / e= lkorajn salutojn Daniel Pfeiffer --=20 lerne / learn / apprends / l=C3=A4r dig / ucz si=C4=99 Esperanto: http://lernu.net / http://ikurso.net --------------050705070805000109000105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by rzlab.ucr.edu id nANNlLAV003491 Hi,

I recently installed Ubuntu Karmic Koala from scratch, putting in a recent snapshot of both Emacs and Sawfish.
Since then, whichever I type, Emacs complains that this Sawfish window-manager keybinding is undefined.

The key bindings work when any other application is focused, so I suspect this is an Emacs problem.=C2=A0 What I don't understand, is that IMHO the window manager should take these key events and an application like Emacs should never even notice them?=C2=A0 AFAIK, the only exception to this rule is if Emac= s grabs the keyboard, as it should while prompting for a password.

The only way out, seems not to fully maximize emacs, so a thin strip of the pager remains, such that I can mouse-click focus away from Emacs, before typing my key-combo.=C2=A0 I have a very keyboard-centric setup, a= nd I spend more than half of my time in Emacs, so this is a major hassle! 
coralament / best Gr=C3=B6tens /=
 liebe Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe / best regards / elkorajn salutojn
Daniel Pfeiffer

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lerne / learn / apprends / l=C3=A4r dig / ucz si=C4=99    Esperanto:
                    http://lernu.net  /  http://ikurso.net
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