From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David De La Harpe Golden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Completion keys and rectangles Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:34:28 +0000 Message-ID: <4B01C564.1010001@harpegolden.net> References: <912155b0911161158w73acdb93p4b28d2a3b260a8f2@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258407347 9450 80.91.229.12 (16 Nov 2009 21:35:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per_Starb=E4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 16 22:35:40 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NA9Ea-0005gq-2v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:35:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59510 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NA9EZ-0007Pr-F8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:35:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA9Dc-0006EO-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:34:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA9DX-00068m-MQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:34:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39567 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NA9DX-00068U-EY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:34:35 -0500 Original-Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:37633) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NA9DW-0003JY-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:34:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [87.198.54.194] (87-198-54-194.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.54.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D394981CB; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:34:31 +0000 (GMT) User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) In-Reply-To: <912155b0911161158w73acdb93p4b28d2a3b260a8f2@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117050 Archived-At: Per Starb=E4ck wrote: > M-TAB is very often used by the window manager.=20 True, or at least M- is (what? See below), but that's typically an=20 easily reconfigured option in the window manager preferences (except on=20 windows). I move all common window manager meta+key operations to=20 super+key anyway (which after all has a stylised window printed on it=20 thanks to microsoft. Super isn't used by default emacs bindings as a=20 matter of policy) > What do you think is the best solution to the window mangers vs. > completion in emacs problem? Would it be better if > key-description described M-TAB as ESC TAB or C-M-i if there is reason > to think M-TAB won't work? M-TAB pretty much /is/ emacs saying M-C-i A "real tab key only" binding says "" instead of "TAB" See manual Customization > Key Bindings > Named ASCII Chars notes about TAB and C-i being the same thing. I guess it may still not be obvious to modern users that therefore C-M-i=20 is a direct alternative to M-TAB though. try: C-h c then C-i : "TAB runs the command indent-for-tab-command" C-h c then tab key : "TAB (translated from ) runs the command indent-for-tab-command" > Would it be good to have an alternative key for M-TAB?=20 I tend to view C-M-i (M- C-i) /as/ the memorable alternative to M-TAB. Showing my age I guess, but this was once something "everyone knew" in=20 computing: ASCII TAB =3D 9. 9 + 64 =3D 73. 73 =3D ASCII I ASCII BS =3D 8. 8 + 64 =3D 72. 72 =3D ASCII H ASCII ESC =3D 27. 27 + 64 =3D 91. 91 =3D ASCII [ So, ^I for TAB, ^H for backspace, ^[ for escape etc.