From: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:55:51 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AF36607.50508@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87skctklaz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
David Kastrup wrote:
> The "design flaw" is that Emacs has a variable line height. An editor
> is primarily supposed to deal with lines of text, not with continuous
> graphical panes. And previous to Emacs 21, Emacs only dealt with lines
> of text of constant height. Previous to Emacs 19, the lines
> corresponded 1:1 to the screen lines.
>
Even Emacs 19 had line wrapping, so counting CR characters as the file
is read (as some simple text editors do) has never been the solution to
this problem. The only solution seems to be to render the entire buffer
offscreen in background, adjusting the scrollbar as we get more detailed
information about the real contents of the buffer. This is what word
processors, web browsers and other complex applications do - you see the
first page quite quickly, then you see the scroll bar growing as it
renders the buffer in background. Most applications do not even make an
initial guess, so you cannot scroll to the bottom of the buffer until
the background rendering is finished. The application then needs to use
extra memory to cache the metrics it has calculated to avoid having to
rerender the entire document on every change.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-05 23:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-02 10:41 Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) grischka
2009-11-02 11:21 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-03 0:48 ` grischka
2009-11-03 9:27 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-04 0:09 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-04 9:51 ` grischka
2009-11-04 11:18 ` joakim
2009-11-04 19:29 ` Jan Djärv
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 1:18 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-09 23:14 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-05 9:23 ` Jan D.
2009-11-05 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 15:16 ` grischka
2009-11-05 15:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-05 15:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-05 16:07 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-05 23:55 ` Jason Rumney [this message]
2009-11-06 0:31 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06 3:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-06 4:37 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06 8:42 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-06 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-02 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 0:32 ` grischka
2009-11-03 1:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 5:37 ` grischka
2009-11-03 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 21:10 ` grischka
2009-11-03 23:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 10:02 ` joakim
2009-11-05 9:21 ` Jan D.
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-07 11:50 grischka
2009-11-07 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-07 17:47 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-03 16:36 grischka
2009-11-03 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2009-10-30 11:18 Customizing the mode line Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-31 6:09 ` Manoj Srivastava
2009-10-31 20:38 ` Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-01 3:11 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-02 6:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-02 7:41 ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-02 14:10 ` Stefan Monnier
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