From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:23:32 +0100 Message-ID: <4AF29994.4040508@swipnet.se> References: <03A2EC54153A4BB1AAE5AF2D2E2B7264@editkapc> <87aaz3jgkp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4AF1D60C.6080005@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1257413217 6516 80.91.229.12 (5 Nov 2009 09:26:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grischka , Miles Bader , joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 05 10:26:50 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N5yZr-0006lp-NK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:24:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44438 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N5yZr-0001Ow-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:24:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N5yZG-00014H-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:23:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N5yZB-00013Q-KE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:23:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50974 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N5yZB-00013N-Ch for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:23:41 -0500 Original-Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]:60311) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N5yZ6-0005p2-Hr; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from iph1.telenor.se (195.54.127.132) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA0099F3ED; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:23:35 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap1JAIMo8kpV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBT5oHAQEBATfCUYQ9BIUN X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,685,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="63114052" Original-Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by iph1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2009 10:23:35 +0100 Original-Received: from [10.225.32.53] (unknown [193.45.43.33]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24F567FA07B; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:23:34 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:116656 Archived-At: On 2009-11-04 21:57, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> - Can we locate a thread with the discussion of scrolling with the >>> gtk developers? >> Started here AFAIK: >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2003-03/msg00555.html > > Note that the problem is more common than just Gtk. > So for example some of the discussion around Xaw3d (before the release > of Emacs-21) is probably relevant as well. > > In any case, given how widespread the problem is, it's clear that we > can't expect the toolkit to adapt to Emacs. And since nobody has found > a way yet to make Emacs DTRT, all we can do is provide various > workarounds, which is what we've done until now. But what I suggest is > that instead of each toolkit backend providing its own workaround, we > should implement the workarounds in the generic code and even implement > several of them and let the user choose which one suits him best. > Wouldn't that imply using just the features that the least able toolkit provides? The native scrollbar does things that can't be done in Gtk+ for example (not just overscroll, keybindings as well). Jan D.