From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: the v word but not a religious salvo Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:57:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4AC4ED8A.8010801@easy-emacs.de> References: <877hviak30.fsf@newsguy.com> <87ljjx77wp.fsf@newsguy.com> <878wfx6kdm.fsf@newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1254420216 28693 80.91.229.12 (1 Oct 2009 18:03:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Harry Putnam Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 20:03:29 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MtQ00-0004xb-2E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:03:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41066 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MtPzz-0000GH-F0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:03:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MtPvh-0005rL-Jb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:59:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MtPvd-0005n6-Ta for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:59:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46761 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MtPvd-0005mv-Ow for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:58:57 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]:64990) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MtPvd-00082L-1v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:58:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BE821B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.130.27]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MEcen-1N943U1lhR-00GEbc; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:58:34 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) In-Reply-To: <878wfx6kdm.fsf@newsguy.com> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185vuUb8Y2bN/fDydhwukbsgHKKUJhmKEmPscP KsmKx9lc9rHh83M/a/Od75wFJzbWKmHGEqXnXi1ENPABL/5IwK gzAsMfJZaYLdxY60uVu2kj1rxwuC+Ho X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68607 Archived-At: Harry Putnam wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > >> There is a special mailing list for yasnippets. I think you are >> missing something if you think it can't do more... >> > > That is extremely likely.... but then too. If after say 45 minutes > browsing around the docs and I can't write at least a super simple > snippet. Then its either way out of my league or the docs aren't that > good. > > I was hoping to get some rough idea of what it could do without > pounding away for a week or two... just to get started. > > I have found it to be the case at least fairly often, that if I can't > get some tiny start going within something like an hour or so, then > its going to be a total pain in the butt and hefty time sync to learn > it well. Some things are worth that... like emacs and gnus, but its > hard to tell in advance. > > I was able to make inserts but I tried to write a snippet after > reading that part of the docs and couldn't even make a start after > reading and tinkering for around an hour. > Before you give up for the rest of your life: have a look at a snippet at yasnippet-0.6.1b/snippets/text-mode/emacs-lisp-mode for example snippet "defun" My bet is with your succes and delight! Andreas > If the vim plugin turns out to be that way too... I'll probably toss > them both... and enlarge on my skeleton writing skills. > It seems somewhat likely because I remember seeing when I looked at it > on line that its based on textmate and so is yasnippets. > > After reading some of David K's pointer to autotype and Shelagh M'd > encouraging comments and pointer to more skeleton info... It looks > like I've been seriously under utilizing skeletons. > > > > >