From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4535: toolkit dependence of frame-height Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4ABC73CC.1040101@gmx.at> References: <8DD65DD8-2514-4213-B98B-F0D43BCF817E@swipnet.se> <4ABB19E6.1060505@gmx.at> Reply-To: martin rudalics , 4535@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1253866053 17889 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2009 08:07:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4535@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 25 10:07:26 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Mr5pt-0005iW-AT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:07:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41952 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mr5ps-0008VB-M1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mr5ph-0008NP-TV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:07:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mr5pc-0008GT-EJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:07:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33315 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mr5pc-0008GD-6l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:07:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:40706) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mr5pb-0003Tm-As for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:07:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8P874oh004895; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:07:05 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n8P7o4K7000996; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:50:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:50:04 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: martin rudalics Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:50:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4535 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4535-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4535.125386440631770 (code B ref 4535); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:50:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4535) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Sep 2009 07:40:06 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with SMTP id n8P7e4Es031684 for <4535@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:40:05 -0700 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Sep 2009 07:39:57 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-44-18.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.44.18]) [62.47.44.18] by mail.gmx.net (mp062) with SMTP; 25 Sep 2009 09:39:57 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19lKjox0JNl7mh9100LmITsigFuzhpYk7z+G6ljkq fVkobd8RB3tEAw User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:07:12 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:31492 Archived-At: >> It depends on what "always have height 1 and 2" stand for. > > Well, I hadn't thought it through, because lines may have a variable > height. Duh. > > And I can increase the buffer font-size many times over without > changing the result of frame-height (or -width), so now I don't > understand what "number of lines available for display" in the doc of > frame-height means. > > I guess it means number of lines in units of the default face? So I > guess that's what my original question meant. Most frame variables seem to have a historical interpretation which somehow got lost with the evolution of GUIs and the adaptations to different operating systems and toolkits. Thinking of frame sizes in lines and columns is asking for trouble in anything but a text-only environment. Documenting the current behavior seems next to impossible to me. > I'm not going to be able to document the Windows behaviour in any > case; maybe you'd like to do that? I can't. I don't understand it. But I'll gladly read anything you come up with for other platforms ;-) martin