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X-CrossAssassin-Score: 3 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:47:11 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:31353 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:25069 Archived-At: Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: > Jan Djaerv schrieb: >> Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: >>> Windowmanagers still put a titlebar on the fullscreen window. This can >>> be avoided by setting the Motif nodecoration hint. This works in Gnome, >>> KDE, and many windowmanagers. >> (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) >> >> Note that fullscreen is all done by the window manager. Emacs tells the >> window manager to put the window in fullscreen and the window manager does all >> the rest. > > Thank you for the hint! I should M-x info, not merely view-emacs-news. > > With fullboth there are no titles under Gnome, fine! The no mouse's > land between left screen side and scrollbar is still there which is > irritating for mouse positioning. It is exactly as wide as the > internal border. With (set-frame-parameter () 'internal-border-width 0) > this can be removed. Ideally, would be part of fullboth, such that > (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) restores the original state. > > Also, the remaining white vertical line on the left side of the screen > could be removed in fullscreen. For smaller width of the scrollbar > that line looks quite "noisy" and irritates because it suggests that > exact positioning is necessary. > > I tried various resolutions, screens and looked at differences in > scroll-bar-width. For some, there opens up a space between (left) > scrollbar and fringe - sometimes this is on the right side > (perferable): (set-frame-parameter () 'scroll-bar-width 11) Well, it is dependent on the screen resolution, the font used and the theme used for the scroll bar. Also, border or not is a matter of taste. > > http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs/pt.png > > Ideally, the left side (that's where one is looking at most of the > time) looks always the same regardless of screen width. Having some > internal border on the right side for padding is less irritating. (I > would prefer here to take some pixels off the fringe, all else equal.) > > Another point is the echo area: The space below the echo area is > currently used for padding in fullscreen. This looks irritating > because it suggests that some over long line is present and makes me > search the entire area, could be lot's of spaces... Like C-x C-e on > "\n" Maybe padding is better put to the top or both. This is hard work for little gain. > > For the qvwm windowmanager (preinstalled on IGEL X-terminals) neither > maximized nor fullboth works. Yet, other programs are still able to > go fullscreen under qvwm (like acroread). What I do there so far with > Emacs is to set this Motif nodecoration hint. That removes the > decoration. The rest manually with geometries. Qvwm probably don't support EWMH. Programs like acroread use override redirect to do fullscreen. I am not willing to do that for Emacs, since if anything goes wrong, you are stuck. > > I manually added that ad-hoc for some time - since about 20.7. Here is one > http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs-21.2.50.1-motifhint.tgz > >>> Within Gnome, switching with Alt-TAB between windows causes irritating >>> flicker with an Emacs fullscreen present. >> Irritating flicker in Emacs or the other windows? If the other windows, there >> is nothing we can do. > > After some experiments with other fullscreen programs: It's very > probably compiz.real (part of Gnome) - if that is killed, things work > as expected. (During Alt-Tab the fullscreen program tries to regain > the screen) > > > > Things have really improved a lot! Why not put a fullscreen-mode on > f11? > I'm not sure F11 is a common key for fullscreen. I'll have to investigate that first. I'm closing this bug, as the bug part has been fixed. Jan D.