From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4AA83AB5.5010106@mousecar.com> References: <4AA6E9D5.9050800@chaosphere.com> <871vmgoaav.fsf@mundaneum.com> <87y6ool9pw.fsf@mundaneum.com> Reply-To: gebser@mousecar.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252539118 7200 80.91.229.12 (9 Sep 2009 23:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) To: =?UTF-8?B?U8OpYmFzdGllbiBWYXViYW4=?= , GNU Emacs List Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 01:31:51 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MlWdg-0002zN-NP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:31:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60733 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MlWdf-0004nw-St for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MlWd9-0004ls-Vh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MlWd8-0004ko-Cp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33055 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MlWd8-0004kd-5Q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:53130) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MlWd7-0003YH-Oh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MlWd7-0001f1-8B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.26] (dsl093-011-017.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.11.17]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1MlWd11MFT-000CuX; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) In-Reply-To: <87y6ool9pw.fsf@mundaneum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=5AD091E7 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18BLYWIbi3S+ADxp5OL1xw6lnsTsn/lN7w1RLl 3b//D1nvkrMoN76rwYY/Z6TJXm2DNoVCF1pUPuvPRQ9x06KaTS MLQtoFEannW/lf8SwgEuAaaJ7zqzThy X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68014 Archived-At: On 09/09/2009 05:59 AM Sébastien Vauban wrote: > ken, > > ken wrote: >> On 09/09/2009 03:18 AM Sébastien Vauban wrote: >>> notbob wrote: >>>> On 2009-09-09, Bastien wrote: >>>> >>>>> ... >> But gnus has been problemmatic for me. I have multiple email accounts which >> I access using imaps (running on different servers). Setting these all up >> and managing them is a snap with Thunderbird. On the other hand, I've spend >> *days* trying to get gnus to do the same and never did get them anything >> close to working. So I gave up. There's too many other things in my life to >> do. > > It's true that setting up everything takes some time. But, once it's done, you > can go wherever (to client sites) with your config file and get the same level > of functionality as you had on your first PC. That's a nice thing about text config files: you can copy them to other machines, save previous versions for easy testing of new functionality, adding another account simply by copying a block of text and changing a few words. Granted. That's what I like about Linux too. > > I am using Gnus for accessing the company IMAP server and different newsgroups > (from our provider and from Gname). I did all that years ago. As I said, the difficulty I had was setting up *multiple email accounts* (like eight or nine of them), all of which use IMAPS (secure IMAP) and most of which use different IMAP servers and different SMTP servers (using TLS + something else). Tbird does all this easily, plus: some mail accounts have PGP keys, all different from one another of course. Incoming mail with and encryption key is automatically signature-checked or decrypted, as applicable. Add to this folders and filters, color-coding of inbox mails (either automatically by ruleset or manually with a couple mouse-clicks), mail templates, multiple address books, searches (of course), and a lot more. Under the category of "a lot more" are the add-ins, little apps (written by computer Joes, Tbird outsiders who write code) that you can plug into Tbird for added functionality. E.g., one I use occasionally transliterates English characters into Cyrillic (Russian alphabet). Hey, I didn't start out this email trying to be an ad for Thunderbird. I just started talking and all this stuff came out. I almost went on a tangent wherein there was pseudo-code. But the more I thought about that pseudo-code, the more I just kept thinking: TB's got this and this and this and this and this. And it's pretty simple to set up and use. (With more than a half dozen accounts, you know I have to read and write a lot of email, so I can't use software that's going to slow me down.) Here's an idea (take it or leave it... just a suggestion): somebody should write a plug-in for Tbird so that when I write or reply to an email, instead of going into Tbird's editor, emacs springs up in the composition space. That way I get all (or a lot) of emacs' features: the key combos I'm so accustomed to, easy searching/replacing, abbrevs, paging up and down without need of the mouse, etc. That would be THE Killer Tbird plug-in. > > >> If there's ever clear and accurate enough documentation on doing this, I >> might attempt it again. Then again, perhaps not. I'm liking Tbird pretty good. > > My goal is to get my .gnus file published on the Web, for helping people (the > same way I got helped by looking at other's config files). > > Though, I need to get my private stuff removed from this file. Not yet done. > Could be in a couple of weeks from now. That's great. It might not tip me back, but I'm sure a lot of other folks would love to have at it. > > >> (But then, how does gnus handle html-formatted emails with images (e.g., >> photos)...? PDFs?) > > Not a prob'. I actually meant "how?"... like what does emacs do with them. What do I have to do to read a PDF-- or Word doc (shudder)-- which comes attached to an email? E.g., in Tbird I double-click on the text name of the attachment (or together-selected attachments). > > Inlined photos are just seeable directly in the buffers. And then if I want to forward that email containing photos...? In Tbird I'd do C-l (a composition window pops with the photos in it and the cursor blinking in the To: field), type in the addressee(s) (Tbird does type-ahead... guesses the name or address or nickname of the addressee(s), displaying them in a drop down if I want to scroll or read through them and select one or more of them), then do C-Return to send. You can see, TB's doing a lot more work than I am when I send an email. It's like it knows what I need to do next. Well, a lot of the time it does. And most of the time I can let the mouse be lonely... just use the keyboard. > > The same for HTML (with emacs-w3m and the w3m browser available from Cygwin). > For HTML with Java inside, just K H to fire up Firefox with the mail > contents... :( > > PDF are normal links. Just clicking on them opens up SumatraPDF under Windows > or okular under Linux. That's cool. > > All of that in one config file, usable under both Windows and Linux, without > any change. Just conditional setup. Sounds like it gets a solid B. But Tbird gets an A-. > > Seb > Thanks for the info. Emacs is definitely doing better things with email than just a few years ago. Best, ken