From: ken <gebser@mousecar.com>
To: "Sébastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com>,
"GNU Emacs List" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:31:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AA83AB5.5010106@mousecar.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y6ool9pw.fsf@mundaneum.com>
On 09/09/2009 05:59 AM Sébastien Vauban wrote:
> ken,
>
> ken wrote:
>> On 09/09/2009 03:18 AM Sébastien Vauban wrote:
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2009-09-09, Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>> But gnus has been problemmatic for me. I have multiple email accounts which
>> I access using imaps (running on different servers). Setting these all up
>> and managing them is a snap with Thunderbird. On the other hand, I've spend
>> *days* trying to get gnus to do the same and never did get them anything
>> close to working. So I gave up. There's too many other things in my life to
>> do.
>
> It's true that setting up everything takes some time. But, once it's done, you
> can go wherever (to client sites) with your config file and get the same level
> of functionality as you had on your first PC.
That's a nice thing about text config files: you can copy them to other
machines, save previous versions for easy testing of new functionality,
adding another account simply by copying a block of text and changing a
few words. Granted. That's what I like about Linux too.
>
> I am using Gnus for accessing the company IMAP server and different newsgroups
> (from our provider and from Gname).
I did all that years ago. As I said, the difficulty I had was setting
up *multiple email accounts* (like eight or nine of them), all of which
use IMAPS (secure IMAP) and most of which use different IMAP servers and
different SMTP servers (using TLS + something else). Tbird does all
this easily, plus: some mail accounts have PGP keys, all different from
one another of course. Incoming mail with and encryption key is
automatically signature-checked or decrypted, as applicable. Add to
this folders and filters, color-coding of inbox mails (either
automatically by ruleset or manually with a couple mouse-clicks), mail
templates, multiple address books, searches (of course), and a lot more.
Under the category of "a lot more" are the add-ins, little apps (written
by computer Joes, Tbird outsiders who write code) that you can plug into
Tbird for added functionality. E.g., one I use occasionally
transliterates English characters into Cyrillic (Russian alphabet).
Hey, I didn't start out this email trying to be an ad for Thunderbird.
I just started talking and all this stuff came out. I almost went on a
tangent wherein there was pseudo-code. But the more I thought about
that pseudo-code, the more I just kept thinking: TB's got this and this
and this and this and this. And it's pretty simple to set up and use.
(With more than a half dozen accounts, you know I have to read and write
a lot of email, so I can't use software that's going to slow me down.)
Here's an idea (take it or leave it... just a suggestion): somebody
should write a plug-in for Tbird so that when I write or reply to an
email, instead of going into Tbird's editor, emacs springs up in the
composition space. That way I get all (or a lot) of emacs' features:
the key combos I'm so accustomed to, easy searching/replacing, abbrevs,
paging up and down without need of the mouse, etc. That would be THE
Killer Tbird plug-in.
>
>
>> If there's ever clear and accurate enough documentation on doing this, I
>> might attempt it again.
Then again, perhaps not. I'm liking Tbird pretty good.
>
> My goal is to get my .gnus file published on the Web, for helping people (the
> same way I got helped by looking at other's config files).
>
> Though, I need to get my private stuff removed from this file. Not yet done.
> Could be in a couple of weeks from now.
That's great. It might not tip me back, but I'm sure a lot of other
folks would love to have at it.
>
>
>> (But then, how does gnus handle html-formatted emails with images (e.g.,
>> photos)...? PDFs?)
>
> Not a prob'.
I actually meant "how?"... like what does emacs do with them. What do I
have to do to read a PDF-- or Word doc (shudder)-- which comes attached
to an email? E.g., in Tbird I double-click on the text name of the
attachment (or together-selected attachments).
>
> Inlined photos are just seeable directly in the buffers.
And then if I want to forward that email containing photos...? In Tbird
I'd do C-l (a composition window pops with the photos in it and the
cursor blinking in the To: field), type in the addressee(s) (Tbird does
type-ahead... guesses the name or address or nickname of the
addressee(s), displaying them in a drop down if I want to scroll or read
through them and select one or more of them), then do C-Return to send.
You can see, TB's doing a lot more work than I am when I send an email.
It's like it knows what I need to do next. Well, a lot of the time it
does. And most of the time I can let the mouse be lonely... just use
the keyboard.
>
> The same for HTML (with emacs-w3m and the w3m browser available from Cygwin).
> For HTML with Java inside, just K H to fire up Firefox with the mail
> contents...
:(
>
> PDF are normal links. Just clicking on them opens up SumatraPDF under Windows
> or okular under Linux.
That's cool.
>
> All of that in one config file, usable under both Windows and Linux, without
> any change. Just conditional setup.
Sounds like it gets a solid B. But Tbird gets an A-.
>
> Seb
>
Thanks for the info. Emacs is definitely doing better things with email
than just a few years ago.
Best,
ken
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-09-09 23:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-08 23:33 Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar Jeff Clough
2009-09-09 2:55 ` Bastien
2009-09-09 9:45 ` Tassilo Horn
[not found] ` <mailman.6296.1252489560.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 10:08 ` Torsten Mueller
2009-09-09 12:00 ` Andreas Politz
[not found] ` <mailman.6303.1252497724.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 12:40 ` Torsten Mueller
2009-09-09 15:39 ` Andreas Politz
[not found] ` <mailman.6268.1252464957.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 3:12 ` notbob
2009-09-09 7:18 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-09-09 8:27 ` ken
2009-09-09 10:06 ` Andreas Politz
[not found] ` <mailman.6288.1252484861.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 9:59 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-09-09 23:31 ` ken [this message]
[not found] ` <mailman.6339.1252539077.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 23:59 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-12 12:06 ` Francis Moreau
2009-10-12 12:47 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.8593.1255351673.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-12 12:56 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-12 13:40 ` Francis Moreau
2009-10-12 16:51 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-12 17:12 ` Andreas Politz
2009-10-13 13:29 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.8683.1255440588.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-13 13:58 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 15:33 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.8686.1255448028.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-13 16:20 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 17:13 ` Jeff Clough
2009-10-13 17:51 ` Memnon Anon
2009-10-13 18:17 ` Matt Lundin
[not found] ` <mailman.8690.1255454017.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-13 17:32 ` rustom
2009-10-13 17:40 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 17:35 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 19:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-10-15 19:59 ` Francis Moreau
2009-10-16 14:26 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-16 19:23 ` Francis Moreau
[not found] ` <4AA7B21C.4000008@chaosphere.com>
2009-09-09 14:35 ` Bastien
2009-09-09 15:28 ` Jeff Clough
2009-09-09 22:25 ` Bastien
2009-09-09 17:55 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.6308.1252506039.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 14:35 ` Richard Riley
2009-09-09 15:48 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.6321.1252511354.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-10 5:17 ` Jason Rumney
2009-09-10 5:12 ` Jason Rumney
[not found] <mailman.6252.1252454441.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-13 1:06 ` Dave Täht
2009-10-12 2:11 ` Anyone gone from mutt to Emacs? was: " David Combs
2009-10-25 13:12 ` Dave Täht
2009-10-27 12:03 ` Francis Moreau
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