From: grischka <grishka@gmx.de>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: moving window handling into lisp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:35:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A8DA56F.7070908@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A8D46DA.4090500@gmx.at>
martin rudalics wrote:
> >> In principle, Emacs windows should not be less than `window-min-height'
> >> lines tall. But an application can temporarily bind that variable to a
> >> smaller value during resizing and leave around a window of less height.
> >> Such windows usually don't harm when maximizing the frame but won't get
> >> us back the previous state when switching back to normal.
> >
> > You can't blame packages that they go through any hack to defend
> > their layout against the unpredictable interventions from the
> > distributed fuzzy-machine, err... emacs window-management.
>
> We must defend such packages against any attempts to simplify Emacs
> window-management at their cost.
The distributed fuzzy-machine cannot be simplified because it defends
itself by, well, being distributed.
> > Me thinks there are much more thoughts spend on 'window-min-height'
> > now than there possibly were at the time when it was first introduced.
>
> Not really. Any window-manager has to deal with the possibility that a
> window gets to small when its parent-window shrinks. All we can do is
> make such cases occur rarely, in practice.
Window-managers don't deal with shrinking parent windows. They deal
with fixed desktop/root windows.
With individual applications it's called "layout-manager", which exist
in the various GUI toolkits.
layout-managers are invisible containers that allow you to place
components like widgets or windows of other layout-managers within,
and to set a policy how these components are arranged, such as "box",
"grid", "flow", ...
The concept of min-size exists too, though individually for each
component, and it actually means what it says, that is "keep this
thing at least that large". Consequently a case of "too small" can
never happen.
--- grischka
>
> martin
>
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Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-17 19:06 moving window handling into lisp grischka
2009-08-18 7:13 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-18 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-19 9:15 ` grischka
2009-08-19 12:45 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 11:45 ` grischka
2009-08-20 12:51 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 13:05 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-20 15:08 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 19:35 ` grischka [this message]
2009-08-21 12:22 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 19:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22 4:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-23 1:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-24 13:10 ` grischka
2009-08-19 13:01 ` Lennart Borgman
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2009-07-27 8:32 Miles Bader
2009-07-27 13:37 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 13:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 13:45 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 13:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 14:35 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 14:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 15:02 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 15:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 16:52 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 16:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 18:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-28 7:38 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 9:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-28 12:25 ` martin rudalics
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2009-07-28 13:23 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 13:44 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-29 9:04 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-28 14:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-29 9:05 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-01 2:20 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-03 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 9:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-11 19:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 19:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 8:57 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 9:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 13:33 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 15:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 17:05 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 19:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 21:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 9:55 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 9:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 10:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 11:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 12:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 13:56 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 16:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 18:07 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 1:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 7:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 11:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 13:21 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 8:56 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 9:54 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 18:09 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 1:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-14 7:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 6:42 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-14 7:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 20:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-15 10:12 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-14 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-14 15:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-15 10:12 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 11:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 12:44 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 13:35 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-15 13:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 16:11 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 16:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 17:37 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 18:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 10:25 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:12 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-16 12:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 16:15 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-16 19:24 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 10:26 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:18 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 14:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 15:31 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 16:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 19:25 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 15:07 ` Jan Djärv
2009-08-15 15:38 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-15 16:07 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 18:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 10:25 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-16 10:26 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 14:00 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-27 14:36 ` martin rudalics
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2009-08-20 15:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-20 18:15 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 23:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-21 12:40 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 13:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-22 11:00 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-22 13:45 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-22 14:17 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 19:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22 11:01 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 0:19 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 12:40 ` martin rudalics
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