From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:06:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4A701115.9000207@gmx.at> References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <4A65FA0E.6020800@gmx.at> <1248200131.7551.75.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A66E607.9030505@gmx.at> <1248280114.7109.33.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A67593D.6020908@gmx.at> <1248289454.7109.47.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A682C53.2080307@gmx.at> <1248375083.15583.9.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A6970B8.7000006@gmx.at> <4A6AC7EA.2010007@gmx.at> <4A6B3CE2.8070404@gmx.at> <4A6C72BE.5080207@gmx.at> <1248628716.5952.11.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A6C961E.3030805@gmx.at> <1248633292.5952.21.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A6D4BE3.9080102@gmx.at> <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.co! ! m> <4A6DDB8D.207060 1@gmx.at> <128D8C4BC29244E882773A070184A82A@us.oracle.com> <4A6DEC6! 4.10001@gmx.at> <4A6EAB36.6 010807@gmx.at> <9DA53ADA979141F89CA55D773DF83F1C@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248858679 13624 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2009 09:11:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Thomas Lord' , rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, 'Stefan Monnier' , acm@muc.de, 'Miles Bader' To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 29 11:11:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MW5Bj-0003KB-QB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:11:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58430 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MW5Bi-00033A-Ul for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:11:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MW57T-0000Ve-42 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:06:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MW57N-0000Sd-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42235 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MW57N-0000SW-E7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:06:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:40340) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MW57M-0006Wx-FH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:06:36 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jul 2009 09:06:34 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-35-212.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.35.212]) [62.47.35.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 29 Jul 2009 11:06:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+BQpIwQVeB7i3XBk4fOmyEEEwqSWxJJuTNQwRVS6 ZrhBSx1XpPEBv/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: <9DA53ADA979141F89CA55D773DF83F1C@us.oracle.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113331 Archived-At: > The only thing I see sometimes, with Emacs 23, is that an Emacs frame will, out > of the blue (i.e. when using some other app), suddenly be raised to the front > occasionally. Dunno what causes that, or whether it has anything to do with the > window mgr. It could be some Emacs 23 problem in connection with some of my code > somehow - no idea. You could try to have `select-frame-set-input-focus' write a backtrace to a separate buffer whenever it gets called and inspect that buffer whenever a frame gets raised spontaneously. > In any case, I've never seen the Emacs frame layout get changed, other than > changes I make to it explicitly, myself. What kind of window mgr does something > horrible like that? ;-) Tiling window mangers. They don't have another choice. martin