From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. 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X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113278 Archived-At: >> Interesting. But doesn't `tile-frames' tile in one direction only? > > Yes, horizontally _or_ vertically; not both at once. Too bad. I suppose Thomas wants them both at the same time. >> BTW, do you enlarge frames when changing fonts? > > If you're referring to `enlarge-font', yes. > > But I use my library `zoom-frm.el', with commands `zoom-in' and `zoom-out'. They > let you zoom either by enlarging/shrinking the frame font (a la `enlarge-font') > or the buffer text (a la `text-scale-decrease' - Emacs 23 only). `C-u' acts as a > toggle between the two modes. > > In the first case (`enlarge-font'), yes, the frame size changes with the font > size. So you probably can't assure that two frames displayed above each other match the height of another frame displayed on the side of them. This is the problem that a frame layout mechanism has to solve. We do need functions like `set-frame-pixel-height' and `set-frame-pixel-width'. > And for the text-scaling mode, I use the patch I sent to the list (with zero > response), which automatically adjusts the window or frame size to accommodate > the font-size change. But that resizing is controlled by a user option. > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/face-remap%2b.el - user option to control whether > window/frame resizes to reflect font size change > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts#ChangingFontSize - description of my > font resizing stuff (zoom-frm.el, frame-cmds.el, face-remap+.el). I have to admit that I'm not interested in frame resizing functions as long as the the current line/columns restrictions prevail. I simply use one maximized frame all the time (which is not perfect either but I try to not look at the echo-area too often). >> What are your experiences with window manager interventions >> when using such layed-out frames? > > Sorry, dunno what you mean. I use MS Windows - dunno about other window mgrs. > What kind of interventions did you have in mind? I meant how window manager interventions like displaying/deleting the windows of other applications can affect the layout of your Emacs frames. I suppose they don't. So at least on Windows the problem of a window manager interfering with the layout of individual Emacs frames doesn't seem to exist ;-) martin