From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:53:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4A6DDB8D.2070601@gmx.at> References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <87ljmjl9ow.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4A648E1D.1000007@gmx.at> <877hy3l3kj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4A64BF58.4030001@gmx.at> <871vobkny7.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4A658CD2.8020504@gmx.at> <1248195599.7551.26.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A65FA0E.6020800@gmx.at> <1248200131.7551.75.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A66E607.9030505@gmx.at> <1248280114.7109.33.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A67593D.6020908@gmx.at> <1248289454.7109.47.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A682C53.2080307@gmx.at> <1248375083.15583.9.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A6970B8.7000006@gmx.at> <4A6AC7EA.2010007@gmx.at> <4A6B3CE2.8070404@gmx.at> <4A6C72BE.5080207@gmx.at> <1248628716.5952.11.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A6C961E.3030805@gmx.at> <1248633292.5952.21.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A6D4BE3.9080102@gmx.at> <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248715073 6603 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2009 17:17:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, Stefan Monnier , acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com, Miles Bader To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 27 19:17:44 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MVTpF-0008HI-9H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:17:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36767 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MVTpE-00032r-LQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:17:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MVTSJ-0002OH-K6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:53:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MVTSF-0002Mp-Rz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:53:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33539 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MVTSF-0002Mj-JJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:53:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:57265) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MVTSE-0005Fe-P6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:53:39 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jul 2009 16:53:37 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-46-195.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.46.195]) [62.47.46.195] by mail.gmx.net (mp055) with SMTP; 27 Jul 2009 18:53:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+7CSNNZOG7qZxmL/4EJholxa2ixjpaGvBcHivo6C pB7UcJYRJxK+2C User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.77 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113232 Archived-At: > I'm not sure what problem with frame resizing > you are referring to but, ok. Currently frame widths and heights can be only full columns and lines. I suppose you have to "fix" this limitation when you want to tile a frame into subframes. > I don't want to confuse this immediate discussion > with new names for the same thing but... > > I would say they are all simply "frames". > > Perhaps a good name for a frame with a nil > parent is a "primary frame". One with a > non-nil parent is an "attached frame". I'd consider a primary frame an artifact useful for tiling and for giving the window manager something with a title, a menubar, and a handler for resize requests to play around. Nothing more. martin