From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:28:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4A6970B8.7000006@gmx.at> References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <87ocrjtafd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <1247871746.6287.157.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1247966060.7410.63.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A62F7AD.4000609@gmx.at> <87eiscn223.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4A643993.5080302@gmx.at> <87ljmjl9ow.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4A648E1D.1000007@gmx.at> <877hy3l3kj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4A64BF58.4030001@gmx.at> <871vobkny7.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4A658CD2.8020504@gmx.at> <1248195599.7551.26.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A65FA0E.6020800@gmx.at> <1248200131.7551.75.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A66E607.9030505@gmx.at> <1248280114.7109.33.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A67593D.6020908@gmx.at> <1248289454.7109.47.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A682C53.2080307@gmx.at> <1248375083.15583.9.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248424154 27579 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2009 08:29:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com, Miles Bader To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 24 10:29:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MUG9I-00020r-QL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:29:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MUG9H-0004iz-Sk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:29:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MUG9B-0004hW-M5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:28:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MUG96-0004YM-91 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:28:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41612 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MUG95-0004Xr-TH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:32789) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MUG95-0002qx-5d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jul 2009 08:28:49 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-53-98.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.53.98]) [62.47.53.98] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 10:28:49 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+bRGxYVJybQJGhBZVvg9jZIBZxWwh3vIoF5NeZta hB0Nv5aEFtuqOF User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: <1248375083.15583.9.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113086 Archived-At: > I understand you to say that `window-list' > should (by default) return all of the windows, > grouped or not. That won't DTRT in the use > cases of greatest interest - where "groups" > are supposed to be control panels around an > edit area. Just the windows in the edit area > should be returned by default. The basic semantics of `window-list', namely that of returning all life windows must be unchanged. I suppose nobody wants to restrict the value returned by `buffer-list' to the buffers controlled by a specific application only. > Emacs already has a way to segregate groups of > windows in that way: frames. That's what > gives rise to the idea that control panels are > mostly just a new way to render certain frames. Frames still don't give you any means to control where `display-buffer' is going to display a buffer. martin