From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7728: 24.0.50; GDB backtrace from abort Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:58:23 -0800 Message-ID: <4A68D3355C744A57BAE88A189D45CA8B@us.oracle.com> References: <30041A5C411E45A7B7AF7A9ECA3AA0BE@us.oracle.com> <83y67echvm.fsf@gnu.org> <837heopknq.fsf@gnu.org> <4D2D5E29.3010502@gmx.at> <26B139ADC64E4827BE54938B3CF26872@us.oracle.com> <4D3008B1.3000609@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294997086 16437 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2011 09:24:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7728@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'martin rudalics'" , "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 14 10:24:41 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pdfth-0003n2-K9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:24:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41400 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pdftg-0002u6-EB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:24:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57917 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PdftO-0002sk-JQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:24:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PdftN-0002vF-9Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:24:22 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PdftN-0002vA-6B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:24:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdfN9-0001jg-Ji; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:51:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:51:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7728 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7728-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7728.12949950636667 (code B ref 7728); Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:51:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7728) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2011 08:51:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdfN7-0001jR-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:51:01 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdfN5-0001jE-IM for 7728@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:51:00 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p0E8wTga017745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:58:30 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p0E6i40M017581; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:58:27 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt016.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 959724221294995504; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:58:24 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.242.232) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:58:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4D3008B1.3000609@gmx.at> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcuzxL8GSmo8bt9sS+GUbybPuJqBWQAApNCg X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:51:03 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:43364 Archived-At: > `save-window-excursion' is the macro never to use. It should > be used exclusively for debugging and prototyping. Application > programmers who prefer to work with multiple frames themselves > should know best and avoid `save-window-excursion' like the > plague. At least in "released" code. Anything else is > masochism. Unbelievable language. What dogmatism. What hyperbole. One can only hope that the same swashbuckling, slash-and-burn attitude is not taken when you modify the code. I wonder how that particular plague escaped the attention of Richard et al for 35 years? It's a wonder that it was ever documented, except perhaps as a mortal danger.