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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>,
	Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity.
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:49:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A61D2F5.3030109@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ocrjtafd.fsf@stupidchicken.com>

 > I recall that we had an inconclusive discussion over the relative merits
 > of two proposals, one by Joakim that (IIRC) relied on window parameters,
 > and another by Martin that uses more built-in code.  Does anyone have
 > any new thoughts about this?

 From earlier discussions I'm fairly convinced of one thing: A window
group should correspond to an internal window.  IIRC Klaus Berndl
confirmed that ECB configurations always form rectangles so there should
not be problems with ECB.  If, however, someones wants to combine
non-rectangular subregions of a frame to form a group, this approach
won't work (in that case, however, a number of features like cloning a
window group into a separate frame would have no intuitive solution
anyway).

FWIW, the following issues are still unresolved:

- Whether we should allow nested or intersecting window groups.  This is
   a fundamental issue.

- Whether we want special naming conventions for window groups and
   whether we should permit unnamed window groups.  This is not a serious
   issue since all this can be easily resolved on top of internal windows
   but would be good to know.

- Whether, which and how window properties (fixed-size, dedicated, ...)
   apply to window groups.  This is a subtle issue since a fixed-size
   window group should probably allow to vary the sizes of the individual
   windows within the group but not the size of the rectangle covered by
   the group.  A dedicated window group would likely forbid to replace
   the entire rectangle by something else and allow to replace the
   contents of individual members of the group but this seems far less
   intuitive already.

- Whether and how window groups interact with window parameters: We can
   easily extend window parameters to apply to internal windows and, as a
   rule, store all group relevant information there - like, for example,
   whether `delete-other-windows' invoked within a window of a group
   should delete all other members of that group or all other windows of
   the containing frame.

- Whether and how window groups can be distinguished visually within the
   containing frame.

martin




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-18 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-12 14:41 Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 16:39 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 18:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 18:30     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-07-12 21:39       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 22:22         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  7:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  7:50             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  0:18       ` Add file-locals and dir-locals (was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!) Juri Linkov
2009-07-17  7:57         ` Add file-locals and dir-locals martin rudalics
2009-07-17  9:43           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48             ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:54               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 10:38                 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 18:12                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20 12:30                     ` Leo
2009-07-22  0:21                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  3:49                         ` Leo
2009-08-04 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05  1:57                             ` Leo
2009-08-05 21:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05 23:14                                 ` Leo
2009-08-06 20:36                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-07  1:18                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08  8:18                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-08 11:28                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 19:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-08 20:43                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08 21:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:58                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-08-09  3:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09  8:29                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-09  1:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17 15:48         ` David Kastrup
2009-07-17 23:06           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-12 18:37     ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 21:21       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:33         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-12 21:45           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:48             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  3:23               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  3:51                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  5:07             ` tomas
2009-07-13  3:23         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-13  7:16           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  4:24         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13  4:37           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  6:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  8:19               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:45                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13 13:13                   ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13 15:05                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:18                 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13 10:47                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13 11:42                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13 15:11                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  8:25             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:48               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:25                 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-13 20:03                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13 21:15                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-14  0:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16  0:30                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 13:53                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 20:48                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:11                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  3:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17  9:42                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 21:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13  9:26               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13  2:08       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-07-13  5:09       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13  8:41         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 16:22         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 18:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 20:11           ` Patch: " Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15  7:55             ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-15 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15 20:20                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 20:49                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18 12:51               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20  9:40                 ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-20 19:43                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20 21:20                     ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14  0:32       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14  6:04         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-14  6:58         ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14 14:05           ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 15:13             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 15:45               ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 19:47                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-16  0:31                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 16:43                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 18:47                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:59                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:19                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 21:29                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 20:09                       ` Infrastructural complexity. [Was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!] Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-16 20:36                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:57                         ` Infrastructural complexity Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:28                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-16 21:33                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:14                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:25                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:30                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:38                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:43                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:49                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-16 22:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 23:44                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  0:30                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  1:18                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  1:29                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:21                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:24                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:44                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:47                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17 17:41                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-17 18:46                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-17 20:13                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-17 23:02                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17 23:49                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18  0:29                                                               ` joakim
2009-07-20  2:38                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  4:59                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  7:31                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  0:05                                                             ` joakim
2009-07-18  0:21                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-18  0:36                                                                 ` Leo
2009-07-18 22:06                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 13:21                                                                     ` Leo
2009-07-19 15:10                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2009-07-19 20:05                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  8:18                                                                 ` joakim
2009-07-18 17:11                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 22:05                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:07                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:23                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 20:18                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 20:57                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 22:27                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  0:00                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:56                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-19 22:21                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:54                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-20  0:18                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:58                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  0:50                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:34                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:34                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:37                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  1:14                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19  1:48                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:01                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  5:45                                                                       ` 16 (Re: Infrastructural complexity.) Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:23                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  9:09                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:47                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:28                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  7:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:38                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 10:38                                                                   ` Infrastructural complexity martin rudalics
2009-07-19 11:12                                                                     ` joakim
2009-07-19 15:08                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  9:32                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:18                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 15:32                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 16:00                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-20 16:30                                                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 19:02                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 22:08                                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 22:45                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 23:00                                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21  9:39                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 10:28                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-21 13:26                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 16:13                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-21 17:17                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:34                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-22 14:59                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 18:25                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23  9:26                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 15:12                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23 15:24                                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 17:40                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:56                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:13                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-23 20:49                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  8:29                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  4:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-25  8:54                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:48                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:11                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:15                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 17:06                                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 15:32                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 17:07                                                                                             ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-21 16:59                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 18:15                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 16:28                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 18:23                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 19:04                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:51                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:17                                                                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-23 19:49                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 20:35                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-24  1:08                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  1:20                                                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 11:21                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 12:10                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 14:20                                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 14:55                                                                                                                   ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-24 16:09                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:37                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  4:16                                                                                                                       ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-25  8:06                                                                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-25 21:13                                                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24 16:08                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 16:16                                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 17:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  1:27                                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-25  8:53                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:31                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  8:52                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:50                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:12                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:19                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:14                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 17:18                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-26 17:45                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 18:34                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27  6:40                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.co! ! m>
2009-07-27 16:06                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27 16:53                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6!4.10001@gmx.at>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6! 4.10001@gmx.at>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <D86752FEC8404739B257327FE0FE8FE6@us.orac! ! le.com>
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:40                                                                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-07-28  7:39                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:21                                                                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-28  7:38                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:18                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 19:22                                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-30  9:07                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-30 17:01                                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31  9:08                                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 16:19                                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31 16:58                                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 17:53                                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 19:05                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 13:49                                                           ` martin rudalics [this message]
2009-07-16 21:48                             ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:57                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:09                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  5:00                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 10:38                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 13:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:31                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 21:36                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 23:11                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 23:52                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  9:32                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:22                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 18:29                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:14                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20  9:33                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22  0:38                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  2:24                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-22 10:12                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:36                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 18:21           ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Stefan Monnier
2009-07-13  0:02     ` Miles Bader

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