From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Suvayu Ali Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: non noisy dired Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:18:04 -0700 Message-ID: <4A2BDA2C.8060507@gmail.com> References: <1234C2D3E19446888CD84302A2D50063@us.oracle.com> <4A2B01C0.20906@gmail.com> <9A9A000218384909BF879106872DA265@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1244402729 17235 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2009 19:25:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 07 21:25:27 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MDNzh-0003qz-DE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:25:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45262 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MDNzg-0004yH-H8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MDK8c-0004aZ-P6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:18:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MDK8X-0004aK-Bh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:18:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47893 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MDK8X-0004aH-6K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:18:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.247]:63890) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MDK8W-0007P7-TH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:18:17 -0400 Original-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1703011rvb.6 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:18:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dvaRb7uzeRR8hsef6NZ2KXbNx39xSa/yOm1g5ezKjTg=; b=gaFB4HziKKxEE9qlLul0jRpEQeDQ3Dat9Nfk61LBfIbfIrHlQ5GRdSzR5QStU5lXxR gBnF20uWK0hncRo7U4r/dBWMlDRvKQiHI5VjwX8GHh/uKr2WhFbVgbqQ2GafPr4z1tcc 4Dr+KZW4wTWbJHwa4c3uYIMgz/knCLMTQjHRk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m1h5owpBef8zjzo6h1rOlbMiWyEjSHFzHUcMMNw9DSjNLFuivChOR26fAXeXpKVZbq 2Kbdo1mxydES06cBTlVm0RR10PZHEqX552aXz9AyFXGmuJ2GvYL+xkHx8Fw9IsaRlHkE H456kvsIgjVzw4WYEJmQLZdL12dfJn/HVK4rY= Original-Received: by 10.141.62.9 with SMTP id p9mr4549367rvk.240.1244387895590; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bhishma.kuru (d75-153-126-79.bchsia.telus.net [75.153.126.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm7765805rvf.24.2009.06.07.08.18.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:18:14 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090320) In-Reply-To: <9A9A000218384909BF879106872DA265@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:24:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:65019 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: >>> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DiredDetails >>> >>> You'll never have to see anything other than the file name, >>> unless you want to, and you can do that by hitting a toggle key. >> This is probably OT, but still. When you mentioned this extension I >> tried out dired-details+.el. It works perfectly as expected >> when I load it using `M-x load-library dired-details+'. >> >> However if I put (require 'dired-details+) in my .emacs, I >> get "Symbol's value as variable is void: dired-mode-map" >> >> What am I doing wrong here? I am very new to emacs, just a >> few months. So its very likely I could be missing something trivial. > > No, you were not doing anything wrong. > Here's the explanation (it was a bug): > > (require 'dired-details+) loads dired-details+, which in turn does (require > 'dired-details), which loads dired-details. > > But neither explicitly loads dired, which is where variable `dired-mode-map' is > defined. After it loads dired-details, dired-details+ tries to use that variable > at load time --> error. > > Should be fixed now. The fix is to use the variable not at load time, but after > dired is loaded. > > Thx - Drew > Thank you Drew. I really love this library. > P.S. Two years ago, the author of dired-details.el, Rob Giardina, integrated all > of the dired-details.el and dired-details+.el features into Emacs - he submitted > a comprehensive patch. The Emacs developers seemed to agree to this addition, > but they never followed up, so it never happened. I've ping'ed them several > times about it (the last time was 2008-11-12), with zero response. Too bad. > Rob's integration was clean, avoiding the `defadvice' and other hoops that these > two libraries jump through. > This would be a great addition to Emacs. Hopefully the developers show more interest before the next release. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.