From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:53:53 -0700 Message-ID: <49DAC44C-3FFE-43D8-835C-F04686B0C705@mit.edu> References: > <86wqpdq768.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <877ghchaay.fsf@yandex.ru> <51CF9F88.1000709@yandex.ru> <51D04E33.8000008@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372614854 13505 80.91.229.3 (30 Jun 2013 17:54:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:54:14 +0000 (UTC) To: "emacs-devel@gnu.org developers" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 30 19:54:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UtLpC-0005T5-G4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:54:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37949 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtLpC-0002TI-6k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:54:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43869) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtLp5-0002Sz-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:54:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtLp0-0005Ij-AO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu ([18.7.68.37]:46601) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtLp0-0005If-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:53:58 -0400 X-AuditID: 12074425-b7f0c8e000000953-97-51d070b5bf19 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 94.65.02387.5B070D15; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id r5UHruRK001997 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:53:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.50] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id r5UHrr8K031714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:53:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <51D04E33.8000008@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrru14EKgwaydShaPFzxhdWD0aJtm FsAYxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJUxbep65oJd3BWL7l1jamCcy9nFyMkhIWAisXrnfmYIW0ziwr31 bCC2kMA+RolDV626GLmA7NOMEhN+NDJCOA+ZJBa9OghWxSygJXHj30smEJtXQE9i6b85jCC2 sICSxPc1e4GmcnCwCcgATdUACXMKaEr8mLwWrJVFQFXi58Rz7BBj5CW2v53DDDHGSmL5q0Os ELuOM0m8XX0NLCEClHj4+CUbyEwJAVmJnb+TJjAKzEJyxSwkV8xCMnYBI/MqRtmU3Crd3MTM nOLUZN3i5MS8vNQiXQu93MwSvdSU0k2M4IB0Ud3BOOGQ0iFGAQ5GJR5eg5DzgUKsiWXFlbmH GCU5mJREeVnzLwQK8SXlp1RmJBZnxBeV5qQWH2KU4GBWEuHd/hmonDclsbIqtSgfJiXNwaIk zvv86dlAIYH0xJLU7NTUgtQimKwGB4fA3SW9GxilWPLy81KVJHiPgCwQLEpNT61Iy8wpQShl 4uAEWcQDtOgxSA1vcUFibnFmOkT+FKMux+SzW94zCoENkhLnXQdSJABSlFGaBzcHlmBeMYoD vSjMewqkigeYnOAmvQJawgS0hLf1HMiSkkSElFQDY+9z/u0sNXHWKy9eOVjsUNSomBDrnh8f uvpoOwf3yQoJ8QeZkpGz6++//Ogb+5lbonzbm9V7T9zqy92T1uJ49t6XxUaB6yUFfrI7C++d opLKfzdeWUmQYbI577ldeRIf5fLDHjn/NgqYd9HzqG2dS8X337tnGFUeO/9bWM33 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 18.7.68.37 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161365 Archived-At: There's a lot of debate about respecting developers, making things easier for users, and preserving the fun of quirky names here, but it seems to me that most of it might be missing the goal in favor of arguing about potential details (and potential details of potentially related but different topics). Richard's goal (as I understand it) is making sure that users can find important features in Emacs, not to enshrine or take over any particular piece of code. For browsing the web inside emacs, there are at least 4 packages: emacs-w3, emacs-w3m, emacs-web, and now/soon Lars' new eww. These are all more and less hidden from straightforward user behavior like `look through the menus', `try obvious command names' and `internet search engine'. I think most of us agree that emacs should have an easily-guessable and -remembered command name for this functionality, and that `M-x eww' might not be it. This doesn't mean that we need to rename any of the four packages above, but rather that we need to provide an intuitive entry point. Emacs itself already provides such an entry point, in browse-url. We should make sure that browse-url works with eww - this is already being done. We might also want to discuss whether or not `M-x browse-url' is itself the best choice of name for an intuitive entry point. We should add a menu-bar entry for whatever name we decide to use for browse-url above. I hope this helps, ~Chad