From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: grischka <grishka@gmx.de>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Printing
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:55:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49D3B88A.4000809@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D3A2BA.5070908@gmx.de>
> If that were so then only postscript experts would be able to teach
> their application to print something.
>
Application developers use toolkits, toolkit developers target the
printing system. /Except/ on windows, that printing subsystem tends to
involve postscript: A toolkit, like gtk+ with cairo, draws vectors to a
postscript document [1] instead of rasterising (or sending trapezoids
(xrandr) or general polys (opengl) to the display driver in the modern
era) to the screen when it wants to print, then sends that postscript
document to the printing daemon which does whatever is necessary to
print it (for cheap printers, maybe rasterising it fully to
device-specific bitmap data with ghostscript, for postscript printers,
maybe munging it a bit to the postscript level the printer wants and
passing it on). i.e. a hypothetical "pure gtk+ stack" emacs at the
application level might well use gtk+ and cairo for both screen display
and printing and abstract over the individual platform and indeed screen
vs. print differences, but cairo is still probably just going to be
drawing to postscript underneath for printing purposes on free or even
nonfree but unixy platforms.
Since emacs is currently a "toolkit unto itself" for the most part, as
Stefan has already pointed out, it kind of makes sense for it to
generate its own postscript. Though maybe just saving out and
"enscript"ing text files might currently work about as well...
On windows, the toolkit uses win32 drawing commands on a printer device
context [2] instead of postscript drawing on a postscript document.
Typically they might internally rasterise to a high-res DIB (.bmp) then
printed with basically just one such win32 drawing command consisting of
"draw this enormous .bmp please".
So, if you squint *a lot*, .bmp in the windows printing world is a
*little* like .ps in the nonwindows printing world. Maybe windows
people might be conceptualising .ps as device-specific thing that things
are printed _to_ (and it is that _too_ I guess), but it is /also/ a
quasistandard intermediate format for printing in the relevant OS apis
on nonwindows.
Mind you, PDF would work just as well or better than postscript for that
purpose, but the current de-facto standard is for OSes to expose an
interface that accepts postscript documents for printing. Windows is the
only vaguely relevant one that _doesn't_, pretty much, and it's only a
ghostscript installation away anyway, it provides mswinpr2 to rasterise
postscript to .bmps sent to native windows printers (which may then of
course inefficiently convert them back to postscript to send to native
postscript printers, but anyway...)
[1] http://cairographics.org/manual/cairo-ps-surface.html
[2] http://cairographics.org/manual/cairo-win32-surface.html
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2009-04-01 17:22 Printing grischka
2009-04-01 18:55 ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2009-04-01 18:58 ` Printing David De La Harpe Golden
2009-04-01 20:51 ` Printing grischka
2009-04-01 21:19 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 0:09 ` Printing David De La Harpe Golden
2009-04-01 23:32 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 2:33 ` Printing grischka
2009-04-02 3:05 ` Printing Samuel Bronson
2009-04-02 13:41 ` Printing grischka
2009-04-02 13:31 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 18:39 ` Printing grischka
2009-04-02 18:53 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-12-17 12:31 printing Gottfried
2022-12-17 13:09 ` printing tomas
2022-12-14 16:38 wie kann ich Emacs so einstellen, dass ich drucken kann Gottfried
2022-12-14 17:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-16 15:27 ` printing Gottfried
2022-12-16 22:26 ` printing Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-17 6:29 ` printing tomas
2022-12-17 7:41 ` printing Emanuel Berg
2022-12-17 13:48 ` printing Gottfried
2022-12-17 16:30 ` printing tomas
2016-03-03 14:35 Printing Sharon Kimble
2016-03-03 20:22 ` Printing tomas
2016-03-05 13:40 ` Printing Robert Thorpe
2009-03-28 10:31 Printing Андрей Парамонов
2009-03-28 14:56 ` Printing Jan Djärv
2009-03-31 2:13 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-02 9:39 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-04 2:44 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-04 6:54 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04 7:25 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-04 9:40 ` Printing Leo
2009-04-04 22:00 ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-04-05 1:07 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-06 8:03 ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-04-06 8:45 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-06 11:47 ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-04-06 23:47 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-07 1:01 ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-04-07 1:14 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-07 9:46 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-08 1:33 ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-05-01 23:30 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-19 10:21 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-05 3:06 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 3:38 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-07 11:25 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-08 1:04 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-08 1:25 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-08 2:15 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-08 10:59 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-09 14:50 ` Printing Jason Rumney
2012-05-09 14:58 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 12:46 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 13:07 ` Printing joakim
2012-05-07 17:20 ` Printing Simon Leinen
2012-05-08 1:11 ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-03-28 15:46 ` Printing Michael Ekstrand
2009-03-28 18:37 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-03-28 20:52 ` Printing Андрей Парамонов
2009-03-30 13:06 ` Printing Michael Ekstrand
2009-03-30 15:24 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-03-30 18:38 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-31 1:56 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-03-31 3:15 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01 0:52 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-01 3:14 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01 4:17 ` Printing Miles Bader
2009-04-01 17:53 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01 4:24 ` Printing Jason Rumney
2009-04-01 17:56 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01 8:11 ` Printing Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-04-01 14:36 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-01 18:16 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01 23:42 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 13:02 ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-04-02 19:37 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-02 10:08 ` Printing tomas
2009-04-02 10:52 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 11:51 ` Printing tomas
2009-04-02 11:49 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 13:37 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 13:47 ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-04-02 13:55 ` Printing Samuel Bronson
2009-04-02 14:24 ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-04-02 14:34 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 14:00 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 16:15 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 16:47 ` Printing Reiner Steib
2009-04-02 19:44 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-03 0:43 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 20:56 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04 0:00 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04 0:36 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-04 0:45 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04 1:05 ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-04-04 6:52 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04 8:57 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-04 9:22 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04 9:49 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-28 20:30 ` Printing James Cloos
2009-03-29 2:15 ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-29 3:20 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 1:17 ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-30 3:10 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 6:36 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-30 18:41 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 19:04 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-30 20:48 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 20:53 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-30 20:59 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 21:27 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-31 3:19 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 21:46 ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-03-30 21:50 ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-31 3:18 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-31 19:14 ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-30 18:03 ` Printing Андрей Парамонов
2003-03-18 21:18 printing Kevin Reeder
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