From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Vollmar Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs ignores modified state of "untitled" buffer Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:21:01 +0200 Message-ID: <497A0D9B-8342-4222-BC60-EA77B3DCF95A@nf.mpg.de> References: <51707DDA-8D52-4D9F-9FD4-461987F2DEDE@nf.mpg.de> <8E1EF5747B7A4183A0873F02FDBBF398@us.oracle.com> <95F4903F7E4B48DAA566AF099AB10B11@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-421718732; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275081814 11656 80.91.229.12 (28 May 2010 21:23:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 21:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Kevin Rodgers To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 28 23:23:31 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OI71V-0006Xs-BN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:23:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57107 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OI71T-0001V5-SK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 17:23:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52338 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OI70S-0001Tt-B9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 17:22:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OI6zK-00055J-Jn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 17:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.nf.mpg.de ([134.107.209.50]:50986) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OI6zK-00054P-7a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 17:21:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (pd9e603c3.dip.t-dialin.net [217.230.3.195]) by mail.nf.mpg.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.03 (built Apr 24 2009; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0L350019OFFD6T00@mail.nf.mpg.de> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:23:38 +0200 (MEST) In-reply-to: <95F4903F7E4B48DAA566AF099AB10B11@us.oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73787 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-20-421718732 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Drew, On 28.05.2010, at 19:18, Drew Adams wrote: [...] > I would propose (and have proposed ;-)) simply `New File' as the menu = item. It > is common nowadays to have a menu item `New' for creation when the = object to be > created is clear, and `New Foo' to make clear that it creates a foo = object. (I > use `New File' and `New Directory' in my own code, `menu-bar+.el'.) >=20 > Whether we use `Visit' or `Open' for an existing whatever is not so = important. > What is important is to clearly distinguish the case of creation = (`New'). in my reply to Kevin of May 26 the modified left-mode button in the = toolbar was labelled "New Document (Org)" (we used the same label in the = corresponding first entry of the "File" menu). I absolutely agree that = the "New" part is essential. Kevin's code conforms (probably not a coincidence) to the Apple Human = Interface Guidelines: = http://www.devworld.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/UserExperience/Con= ceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGMenus/XHIGMenus.html I have had Windows users look at the Emacs version with the File New = option and they said it was a significant improvement, immediately = adding that, by the way, they had never heard of "visiting" a file (not = surprising). I believe that Xah Lee had these kind of changes in mind here: = http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html I do not agree with everything but he has a few points, I think. Warm regards, Stefan --=20 Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. 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