Moving paragraphs instead of lines

Moving paragraphs instead of lines

[Rick Moynihan]

When the cursor is positioned within a paragraph would M-<up> and 
M-<down> not be better set to move the current paragraph above or below 
it's surrounding paragraphs respectively?

e.g.  When the point is positioned in the following outline, would a 
M-<up> not be better moving the foo paragraph above the bar one, rather 
than just repositioning the 6-foo line?

* Outline

bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar
bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar
bar bar bar bar bar

foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
foo foo foo foo foo foo | <-- point

I could see such operations being restricted to only operate with the 
current outline level.  I realise the M-<up>/<down> behaviour when on an 
outline is correct, but I see little need in repositioning lines within 
a paragraph if the user is using M-q to wrap paragraphs, as I do. 
Moving the paragraph here would surely make more sense.


R.

Re: Moving paragraphs instead of lines

[Adam Spiers]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:18:22AM +0000, Rick Moynihan wrote:
> When the cursor is positioned within a paragraph would M-<up> and 
> M-<down> not be better set to move the current paragraph above or below 
> it's surrounding paragraphs respectively?
> 
> e.g.  When the point is positioned in the following outline, would a 
> M-<up> not be better moving the foo paragraph above the bar one, rather 
> than just repositioning the 6-foo line?
> 
> * Outline
> 
> bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar
> bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar
> bar bar bar bar bar
> 
> foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
> foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
> foo foo foo foo foo foo | <-- point
> 
> I could see such operations being restricted to only operate with the 
> current outline level.  I realise the M-<up>/<down> behaviour when on an 
> outline is correct, but I see little need in repositioning lines within 
> a paragraph if the user is using M-q to wrap paragraphs, as I do. 
> Moving the paragraph here would surely make more sense.

If anything, I would actually vote for the entire outline heading
being moved within the outline structure, since emacs already provides
plenty of functionality with regards to normal text editing
(`transpose-lines', `transpose-paragraphs', `mark-paragraph' etc.).

Re: Moving paragraphs instead of lines

[Bastien]

I guess the rationale behind making M-<up/down> to move lines was to get
a similar behavior for this command whatever the context:

- inside a list
- inside a table
- inside a subtree headlines
- inside normal paragraphs

But I have the feeling that the current behavior for M-<up/down> inside
normal paragraphs is a bit too much... but this is just a feeling.  

Rick Moynihan <rick@calicojack.co.uk> writes:

> When the cursor is positioned within a paragraph would M-<up> and
> M-<down> not be better set to move the current paragraph above or
> below it's surrounding paragraphs respectively?
>
> e.g.  When the point is positioned in the following outline, would a
> M-<up> not be better moving the foo paragraph above the bar one,
> rather than just repositioning the 6-foo line?
>
> * Outline
>
> bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar
> bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar
> bar bar bar bar bar
>
> foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
> foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
> foo foo foo foo foo foo | <-- point
>
> I could see such operations being restricted to only operate with the
> current outline level.  I realise the M-<up>/<down> behaviour when on
> an outline is correct, but I see little need in repositioning lines
> within a paragraph if the user is using M-q to wrap paragraphs, as I
> do. Moving the paragraph here would surely make more sense.

-- 
Bastien

Re: Moving paragraphs instead of lines

[Carsten Dominik]

Paragraph definitions are complex in Org-mode, because of
plain lists, tables etc.  I think that moving paragraphs in this way
would lead to surprising results too often, so I will not implement
this suggestion.

Thanks.

- Carsten

On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Rick Moynihan wrote:

> When the cursor is positioned within a paragraph would M-<up> and M- 
> <down> not be better set to move the current paragraph above or  
> below it's surrounding paragraphs respectively?
>
> e.g.  When the point is positioned in the following outline, would a  
> M-<up> not be better moving the foo paragraph above the bar one,  
> rather than just repositioning the 6-foo line?
>
> * Outline
>
> bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar  
> bar
> bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar bar  
> bar
> bar bar bar bar bar
>
> foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo  
> foo
> foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo  
> foo
> foo foo foo foo foo foo | <-- point
>
> I could see such operations being restricted to only operate with  
> the current outline level.  I realise the M-<up>/<down> behaviour  
> when on an outline is correct, but I see little need in  
> repositioning lines within a paragraph if the user is using M-q to  
> wrap paragraphs, as I do. Moving the paragraph here would surely  
> make more sense.
>
>
> R.
>
>
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