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From: "Davis Herring" <herring@lanl.gov>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is (provide 'foo) at the start good or bad?
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:00:03 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49293.130.55.118.19.1244847603.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r5xqw0s8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

> Putting the provide form at the beginning allows mutually recursive
> requires to succeed.

If you have two files which require each other, why do they each have a
feature symbol?  Requiring one is equivalent to requiring the other (and
equivalent to requiring both, in either order), and `featurep' will always
return the same value for each.  The only reasons I can think of to have
two such files separately are to
1. make them each smaller and easier to digest
2. hide some ugly hacks that aren't relevant to the package's interface
3. provide backwards compatibility with earlier versions of two packages
that used to not be interdependent
4. connect two packages which somehow depend on each other and yet are
maintained by different people.

#1 and #2 can be resolved by having the one that is found by `require'
`load' the other.  #3 can be resolved by replacing one or both "old"
packages with a "dummy" that merely requires the combined package and
provides itself.  #4 is likely to require more than merely turning the
third `require' into a no-op: putting one of the `require's at the bottom,
or doing something like (let ((combined-a-b-load t)) (require 'b)).

Put differently, `provide' is supposed to "Announce that FEATURE is a
feature of the current Emacs.".  If you put it at the beginning of a
package, you're lying (until the end of it).

Davis

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-12 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-11 12:56 Is (provide 'foo) at the start good or bad? William Xu
2009-06-11 17:01 ` Leo
2009-06-12  4:09   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-06-12  5:01     ` William Xu
2009-06-12 10:02       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-06-12 10:26       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-06-12 15:15         ` William Xu
2009-06-12  8:36     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-06-12 10:10       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-06-12 23:00     ` Davis Herring [this message]
2009-06-13 12:19       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-06-14 19:30         ` Davis Herring
2009-06-15  3:04           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-06-15 18:20             ` Davis Herring
2009-06-16  3:47               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-06-12 21:16 ` Stefan Monnier

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