From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? 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(VPS 080830-0, 2008-08-30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.87 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KZdwl-00084v-9X. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KZdwl-00084v-9X 8249fbbdf4cbfbc5d5e3733fb7fcae32 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103292 Archived-At: Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:40:03 +0200, Lennart Borgman (gmail) > said: > >> Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>> You can't assume that a GNU/Linux graphical environment has anything >>> whatsoever to do with freedesktop.org. At debconf earlier this >>> month, I raely saw anyone using the default GNOME/KDE environments -- >>> and I personally use fvwm as a window manager, so there is no >>> trashcan -- thank goodness. > >> Maybe it will soon be safe to think that the important GUI >> environments do have a trash can? (With a possibility to turn it off >> perhaps.) > > I am not at all sure that is a safe assumption. My phone does > not have a trash can. Indeed, none of the graphical user interfaces I > have used in about 20 years of computing has _ever_ featured a > trashcan, and I am not so sure I want to assume the future is > necessarily different. I am not sure that mean that the important GUI environments will not have trash cans. >> And maybe it is a waste of time to develop too many GUI environments? > > Indeed. X10 was perhaps a mistake to go away from. No idea. And it looks unrelated to the number of GUI environments in the sense I used it. >> Maybe it uses resources not only from those doing and using the extra >> GUI environments but also from all people trying to coordinate? And >> then there are all misunderstandings, miscommunications, discussions, >> extra development outside to cooperate (but that might on the other >> hand raise the need for standard interfaces). > > Nod. Diversity is bad. Conformity should be the goal. We shall > all be assimilated. Maybe that is a good way to solve conflicts is some cases. But I prefer thinking over possibilities and consequences. > manoj