From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:58:40 +0200 Message-ID: <48B95210.5070704@gmail.com> References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <87wshzpszz.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48B85518.3000208@gmail.com> <87d4jqq33q.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48B94038.5070501@gmail.com> <87tzd2ocpw.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220104742 15824 80.91.229.12 (30 Aug 2008 13:59:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: Johannes Weiner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 30 15:59:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZQzZ-0005y2-JV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:59:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41715 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQya-0000Ku-Rw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:58:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQyV-0000Ko-Od for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:58:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQyU-0000KW-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:58:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33339 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQyU-0000KT-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:58:46 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:43588) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZQyT-0002Tb-Gt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:58:45 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-87.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.87]:60471 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KZQyP-0007TJ-4p; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:58:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87tzd2ocpw.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080830-0, 2008-08-30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.87 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KZQyP-0007TJ-4p. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KZQyP-0007TJ-4p f6366b723bcd10db59aa446e289c16a0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103264 Archived-At: Johannes Weiner wrote: > Hi Lennart, > > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> Johannes Weiner wrote: >>>>> Do you see the paradoxon? >>>> I don't know. What is it? Sounds like some fairytale animal. >>> Sorry, translation error. Remove the -on ending by either deleting it >>> or moving it into the trash-can. >> Oh, I imagined a sweet animal but a bit sad and lonely animal standing >> there watching us when we were trying to fit into a small logical >> prison. It felt said because we were trying to defend ourselves from >> life and all its possibilities and no one asked it for the wisdom it >> had ... > > It felt said? It cared about our world and everything in it. And it know there are only two roads to wisdom: making mistakes that harm yourself or others, or listen carefully deep inside to others. But very few were really listening. All they did was thinking "yes, that is how I see it too" and they ignored the parts that did not fit them. >>> Why do you expect it from the UI in the first place? >> Thomas Lord took some time to explain what user interface (scientific >> and non-scientific) research had found in this area. >> >> I simply think it is good trying to use the result from that research. >> (Or invalidate it, but I think that takes much, much time to try. And I >> do not expect it to succeed.) > > I already invalidated them for myself and I am sure there are others who > like terminal deletion. Maybe that does not really invalidate the statistical results of the more scientific research ... - but of course if many think the same ... ;-) > My only wish is that whatever fix will result from this thread is > nothing that changes the default behaviour for the main bulk of dired > users that are used to it and can cope. That is fair though I personally want it the other way round. Those who can cope should cope (if I may stretch your words a bit). > My main question, though, was why you expected the trash can thing from > an interface that obviously has its roots in *nix cli programs. I am not sure. Maybe because I was upset. Or maybe because I expect and hope things to evolve ;-) > Hannes >