From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:22 +0200 Message-ID: <48B86366.7040303@gmail.com> References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <48B73AA9.5090900@gnu.org> <48B73D8F.90501@gmail.com> <48B7AC10.6090800@gmail.com> <48B7B08B.6050103@gmail.com> <48B7F905.7060605@gmail.com> <001301c909e8$d63092e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20080829155801.05fabc31.taylor@metasyntax.net> <48B85740.8060309@gmail.com> <20080829164637.4211a5b7.taylor@metasyntax.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220043672 30880 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2008 21:01:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'David House' , 'Eli Zaretskii' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Drew Adams , jasonr@gnu.org To: Taylor Venable Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 23:02:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZB6T-0004uz-TY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:01:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40474 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZB5V-0003Dl-GN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:00:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZB5G-000332-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:00:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZB5E-000312-Ih for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:00:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46551 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZB5E-00030r-8W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:00:40 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:47953) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZB55-0004YK-7K; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-87.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.87]:64003 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KZB52-0003t2-3P; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <20080829164637.4211a5b7.taylor@metasyntax.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080829-0, 2008-08-29), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.87 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KZB52-0003t2-3P. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KZB52-0003t2-3P 4df9f5eca777c549233b1d52a0770358 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103209 Archived-At: Taylor Venable wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:32 +0200 > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" wrote: > >> Taylor Venable wrote: >>> Maybe, assuming you have a Trash. But where is it? It could be the >>> one that Nautilus uses, or the one that Konqueror uses. If you >>> don't use GNOME or KDE you probably don't have a Trash. Then what >>> is the point of moving things there? >> Is this really true? >> >> Someone said that trash cans are something that belongs to the shell. >> On w32 that is fortunately true only in a very limited sense. You can >> do file deletions without using the trash can and you must use what I >> believe MS call "shell api". >> >> However it comes with the system! That is the important point. And of >> course such a component should follow with the system so that >> different shell developers s does not invent the wheel again. (Doing >> that may create a lot of work for other people.) >> >> Why not try to take that up with the GNU/Linux developers? > > The simple answer is because the GNU/Linux (or rather, Unix in general) > architecture does not operate like Windows does with respect to this > tight level of integration. Even getting the GNOME and KDE guys to use > the same place would not solve the problem They should come together and donate their common solution for trash can handling as something that comes with the system. > because a user always has > the freedom to use another environment (or write their own) which might > not conform. You cannot second-guess that such high-level features > will be available Is not that a job for the interface? You ask the interface if it is available. It it is not you do not use it ... > Who should decide where your files go when they die? The writer of the trash can handling (that is called by the trash can interface do handle the trash can).